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NL400 - Turn KK into bluff?

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phexac   United States. Mar 17 2010 22:08. Posts 2563

Villain is a marginal winner at NL400-NL1000. He folds to about half CBets on Flop and turn. I'm thinking of firing a 3rd Barrel here mostly because we are ahead a good deal, sometimes he had have pair of As from AXs that he can fold. And CC here is just bad, no? Really dislike these spots sometimes.

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PokerStars Game #41321968988: Holdem No Limit ($2/$4 USD) - 2010/03/17 22:00:26 ET
Table Suvanto III 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tmerr1 ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero ($587 in chips)
Seat 3: d3fault ($406 in chips)
Seat 4: FastEddie267 ($982.80 in chips)
Seat 5: Jinn_Rooh ($404 in chips)
Seat 6: slyhawk ($317.25 in chips)
slyhawk: posts small blind $2
tmerr1: posts big blind $4

Holecards
Dealt to Hero KcKs
Hero: raises $10 to $14
d3fault: folds
FastEddie267: calls $14
Jinn_Rooh: folds
slyhawk: folds
tmerr1: folds

Flop (Pot : $34.00)

   2s7dTd
Hero: bets $24
FastEddie267: calls $24

Turn (Pot : $82.00)

   2s7dTd9c
Hero: bets $64
FastEddie267: calls $64

River (Pot : $210.00)

   2s7dTd9cAs
Hero

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Twisted    Netherlands. Mar 17 2010 22:13. Posts 10422

He's never gonna fold Ax. You can however bet for value here because the A is also a good bluff card and probably get looked up often enough by worse. Gotta bet big though, like 145 at least. That is, if you have a good 3 barrel frequency. If you don't check/fold is probably best unless he bets for value light as well and is capable of valuebetting like KT or somethign.


edzwoo   United States. Mar 17 2010 22:19. Posts 5911

I think betting here could be okay for value, but not as a bluff. It would help to know if he raises Axs at some point during the hand though.

I think the other mid-high stakes players should know this player to know what the right call is.


Exhilarate   United States. Mar 17 2010 22:33. Posts 5453

i think this really depends on the player's river tendencies, i don't know fasteddie too well
but some players will just turn their hand into a bluff(QQ/JJ) and shove over your third barrel on the A river

here's a similar hand i played
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TalentedTom    Canada. Mar 17 2010 22:44. Posts 20070

I fail to see how betting here is a bluff, this is a clear value bet..

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TalentedTom    Canada. Mar 17 2010 22:44. Posts 20070

you have the 2nd nuts, nuts being ATs, which there are only 2 combos of

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TalentedTom    Canada. Mar 17 2010 22:46. Posts 20070

this is a super standard range merge, esp since we are betting 100% of our bluffs on this river and villian knows this, eddie isn't brave enough to turn JTs type hand into a bluff here

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YoMeR   United States. Mar 17 2010 22:54. Posts 12438

i think you'll be too easy to play against if you don't bet here for value.

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phexac   United States. Mar 17 2010 23:48. Posts 2563

Hmm ok. Well, I bet here 100%. But looks like my evaluation of the action is off, as you guys are saying this is Vbet and not turning my hand into bluff.

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locoo   Peru. Mar 18 2010 00:59. Posts 4566

you cant say you are turning your hand into a bluff when you are gonna get called by soo many worse hand than yours, thats a valuebet

bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte bitte 

mikeymoo   Canada. Mar 18 2010 02:40. Posts 988

I think I'm growing as a poker player because my thoughts start to agree with the replies here ^^

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JonnyCosMo   United States. Mar 24 2010 21:37. Posts 7292

This... isnt a bluff?

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Minsk   United States. Mar 27 2010 20:18. Posts 1558

Best hand ive seen online in ages...thing is you need to v-bet KK here or c/f.

I think optimally you should be betting for value with QT+ and as bluffs 100%....Villain should be optimally pushing everything except Ax & QT+


 



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