DEEP 10/20 at Commerce hand

Would post most questions about Commerce live poker hands in the low stakes thread since it seems no one thinks higher than what you'd assume runs through the mind of your average NL10 regular, but villan in this hand seems to be a competent young internet player. Previous history: I've been on a downward spiral and been losing a bunch of pots ever since this villan sits at table. Villan has been on the total opposite, everything works for him, and two people have already tried to bluff off stacks into his nut hands. Other than that, he hasn't been out of line and there isn't much else I know about villan.

Stacks:

Villan in MP has table covered w/ $15k+
CO has $2,000
BTN (Osmin 'Odie' Dardon / very tight tourney reg) has $3500
SB (Hero) sitting with $12,000
BB has $3,000

Folded to Villan who opens to $70, CO calls, BTN calls, I pick up in the SB so I call, and the BB calls.

Flop comes: Pot: $350

I check, BB checks, Villan checks, CO checks, BTN now bets $200. I check-raise to $750. BB folds. Villan now tanks for a solid minute then puts in a reraise to $2500. CO & BTN fold back to me.

Thoughts?

fuck it...fold n leave

odie isnt tight wtf! as for the hand...
1. call and then proceed to donkbet allin on a heart turn.
2. when he tank folds show ur hand casually and say "i didn't want to get sucked out on".
3.proceed to win millions with retard image.

On February 06 2010 17:35 n0rthf4ce wrote: odie isnt tight wtf! as for the hand... 1. call and then proceed to donkbet allin on a heart turn. 2. when he tank folds show ur hand casually and say "i didn't want to get sucked out on". 3.proceed to win millions with retard image.

agreed 100%

On February 06 2010 17:45 Roman wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2010 17:35 n0rthf4ce wrote: odie isnt tight wtf! as for the hand... 1. call and then proceed to donkbet allin on a heart turn. 2. when he tank folds show ur hand casually and say "i didn't want to get sucked out on". 3.proceed to win millions with retard image. agreed 100%

33 = 88 (or almost 88) here am I correct?

i'd be shitting in my pants

If he has AA which is what we are trying to make fold by donking a heart turn, chance is pretty big its a heart with it. And he wont fold that.

33 is beat by 88 here! :-)

I'm not used to playing 600bb deep... I don't know

Call and hit quads? Or do like peachy said, but it doesn't seem all that good to me lolol

wooo sonnen, pound that @#$@#% out! Round 2 gogogogo!

On February 06 2010 21:47 Zanjong wrote: If he has AA which is what we are trying to make fold by donking a heart turn, chance is pretty big its a heart with it. And he wont fold that.

On February 06 2010 21:47 Zanjong wrote: If he has AA which is what we are trying to make fold by donking a heart turn, chance is pretty big its a heart with it. And he wont fold that.

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what if he calls and the turn isnt a heart and is a complete blank?

Odie is too tight peachy. More of a nit than someone that's tight, slightly different.

I'd just get it in on this flop. he'll put you on a draw and call it off with AK all day long so just ship it all in over his 2500.

plus ur "losing every hand image" will help play into a lighter call of ur ship

On February 07 2010 23:11 thewh00sel wrote: plus ur "losing every hand image" will help play into a lighter call of ur ship

wait people call 6bi with top pair top kicker? at 10/20? Jesus Christ my head just exploded

yep

shoving is absolutely atrocious. pretty sure he doesnt even 3bet Axhh and his range is skewed towards bluffs/sets, and by bluffs i mean like 67hh or something that probably doesnt have much value in calling in his eyes.

id prob call and check the turn and make a read but i dont mind folding honestly

and odie from my experience isnt tight, hes a fucking loose maniac

Assuming Daut's post is not a level and having played live quite a lot(some of the games were deep,some not,the level of opponents is much lower for sure but still..),I have a couple of questions:

From some of the live threads I read,I've noticed that if Hero is 400bb+ and the villain covers the stacking range is only nuts..

I know that the game is much different when 400bb+ deep but still isnt't it quite exploitable to stack off with nuts only and fold as good as 3rd nuts hands

And why do we even call with small pp or suited connectors,when it is very hard to flop stone cold nuts with them.I mean if you flop

A83hh with 33,isn't that a dream flop we have been waiting for?Same thing is with hands like 67s,78s,(which generally have great impied odds,esp IP) or we play them only for str8 value since of we flop flush we are not anxious to put the money in the middle?