WHat is your move. nl200 AK

I don't know how often this happens. But what move do you suggest

Submitted by : hazing74

PokerStars Game #37900589975: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2 USD) - 2010/01/09 14:05:40 ET
Table Koon IV 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JaBlue ($212.30 in chips)
Seat 2: 176432 ($103.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($200.35 in chips)
Seat 5: BudFox974 ($248.60 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $1
BudFox974: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
JaBlue: folds
176432: folds
Hero: raises $4 to $6
BudFox974: raises $12 to $18
Hero: raises $34 to $52
BudFox974: calls $34

Flop (Pot : $104.00)

   
Hero: checks
BudFox974: bets $70
Hero: folds
Uncalled bet ($70) returned to BudFox974
BudFox974 collected $102 from pot

Summary
Total pot $104 | Rake $2
Board  
Seat 1: JaBlue folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: 176432 (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Hero (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BudFox974 (big blind) collected ($102)

Isn't that guy the worlds biggest nit?

i'd suggest u don't 3bet AK OOP if ur gonna shut down on the flop anyways

don't know villain but whenever ppl flat 4 bets against me they are full of shit.

On January 09 2010 14:55 asdf2000 wrote: i'd suggest u don't 3bet AK OOP if ur gonna shut down on the flop anyways

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

prob shove, his hand dosnt look like much

against a aggro villain I would probably check shove.
but like maynard said, he is quite nit. 17/13?

why would he bet so big on a dry flop with a made hand..hmm

because you think he wouldn't bet so much with made hand.

^--- OH SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT.

you need reads sir , mostly his 5bet pushing range

i usually push
then break something when he shows AJ

I would make smaller 4bet pre, if I check/fold such flop. Like 42. Or bigger and push any flop...

On January 09 2010 14:55 asdf2000 wrote: i'd suggest u don't 3bet AK OOP if ur gonna shut down on the flop anyways

You mean 4bet? I think 4betting is basically the only way to play it. I think shutting down is fine if he is a good player. A good player knows that he can't call there with AJo. If he is bad, then cbet/fold or shove.

I think there is merit to c/c down on a board like this, I mean some reads would be nice so its not just blind guesswork tho.

Depends on your image but i`m shoving 90% of the time he is folding a lot

i never expect him to flat AK or AQ in BB, . From what I could tell, he was not aggro at all. DIdn't ever see him get out of line.
I felt like he had a medium PP that was going to call on this type of board. Am I wrong?

Flat call pre seems kinda retarded to me, there's like 70 in pot and 200 deep, for some reason he finds flatting tt/88 more +ev then shipping it in for a 5bet?
I like check raise Allin on flop over check fold but I'm crazy.

Shoving here is not the best option most of the time vs a nit i think
You will find him often holding PPs aswell as AJ and will be breaking keyboards down -.-

flatting AJ vs 4bet IP when 100bb dont make no sense.
if he fltas AJ hes flatting all sorts of shit. which mean he dont have a J a good % the time, and you got 170 in pot and only like 150 left, if he ever folds to shove, its redonkulous
mfer got AJ he got AT AQ, make no sense for him to have a pocket pair other than KK+
he got AJ he got KQ and KJ KT, QJ
anyway u got outs. 150 to win 250,
whats that like 38%?
he folds to your shove 20% the time and the other times u have 15% equity looks like this
+170 20%, -150 68% 12% +250
+30,+34,-102
so -38, not terrible at all
looool
so lets just say his range preflop for flatting
is KTs+,QTs+,KQo,ATo-AQo,ATs-AQs and no pocket pairs cause it really make no sense.
if you open jammed 150 into the 100, thats pretty much unexploitably +ev.
unless his flat range here is exactly KK+. that is undubiably -ev.

On January 09 2010 14:55 asdf2000 wrote: i'd suggest u don't 3bet AK OOP if ur gonna shut down on the flop anyways

I like this.

I like 1/3 pot bet.

lol 17/13

i think the hand is wp vs a competent regular that doesnt get out of the line too often.

@woodbrave1 a 17/13 doesnt call 4bets with KTs+,QTs+,KQo,ATo-AQo,ATs-AQs so his range is basically AKs QQ KK AA, and JJ sometimes. he will call/go broke with 4 of 5 so no reason to spew money tryin to make him rid of a best hand.

people doesnt fold overpairs no matter what u try to rep

On January 09 2010 14:55 asdf2000 wrote: i'd suggest u don't 3bet AK OOP if ur gonna shut down on the flop anyways

it was a 4bet not a 3bet. it tilts the shit out of me when somebody flats my 4bet like this so retarded. Dunno, without a good read i would check/fold. I would ship it in if I had AKs and had another BD draw to go with my hand.

err yeah 4bet, that's actually what i meant. 3betting AK and shutting down on the flop sometimes is standard

putting > 1/4 ur stack in pf and then folding the flop isn't

On January 24 2010 19:19 asdf2000 wrote: err yeah 4bet, that's actually what i meant. 3betting AK and shutting down on the flop sometimes is standard putting > 1/4 ur stack in pf and then folding the flop isn't

u still can fold 3/4 of ur stack when its soooooo obvious that u r beat

woodbrave i didnt understand anything u wrote but i just wanted u to know that u are my hero <3

On January 09 2010 16:31 gororokgororok wrote: why would he bet so big on a dry flop with a made hand..hmm

70% of the pot? Are you expecting villain to bet half the pot if he has an overpair in a 4bet pot?

flatting AJ ip vs a 4bet is awesome if your opponent is just check/folding AQ and AK every time he misses

not that i think this villain is aware of that

or, even if he is aware, he is prob still not doing it.

i dont fold a flop like this w AK

at worse we are up against AJ type hand or we got 2 overs (most of the time)

alot of the time we should be ahead too

ch/shoving or bet/calling (i almost always bet 1/4 or 1/3 pot when villains calls my 4bets, especially on dry flops like this one) are both fine imo aslong as u do both w a made hand aswell =)

vs a turbo nit though ch/folding shouldnt be to terrible if he is the retarded kind who flat only middle/big pockets to "wait for a safe flop"

he dosnt look to hot

lol that's all the info you need to play this hand. expect suited shit here a lot

On January 25 2010 06:34 whamm! wrote: lol that's all the info you need to play this hand. expect suited shit here a lot

no

all u guys sayin shove, bet/Call, etc are u serious? i bet whatever u want that u dont do that with ur money, its easy to talk here and say wtf how can u c/f that

if u want to try something more with this hand u gotta bet rly small/fold flop since obviously u only have 2 overs against QQ, c/shoving here is the most retarded action ever


btw shove is fine (no c/shove) if he can have TT 99, but that´s unlikely imo

ok relax. geez, i wasnt even giving out serious advice wtf is up with u? lol

On January 25 2010 10:39 whamm! wrote: ok relax. geez, i wasnt even giving out serious advice wtf is up with u? lol

i just say "no" to you, dont be a DQ -.- have nothin against u or anyone

i usually bet here, but i dont check very often

i'd generally 4 bet here w the intent of jamming most flops. this is probably one of em. cool semi bluff yo.

On January 09 2010 16:01 TalentedTom wrote: prob shove, his hand dosnt look like much

You'd only shove here to get him off of air though, especially since hero is OOP right?

There's a chance any pocket pair would call, + JQ, JK, JA.

On January 26 2010 06:23 MadJukes wrote: Show nested quote + On January 09 2010 16:01 TalentedTom wrote: prob shove, his hand dosnt look like much You'd only shove here to get him off of air though, especially since hero is OOP right? There's a chance any pocket pair would call, + JQ, JK, JA.

Get him off air? We beat all air.

We want him to fold better of course. And if called, we hopefully have our 25 % equity.

On January 24 2010 03:27 Grass.nS) wrote: I like 1/3 pot bet.

i would bet a lil less then half pot and call a shove. Its hard to know what type of range they are calling 4bets with. But according to the consensus of jam the flop, in the future vs this opponent 4bet a bit bigger with your stacking range to avoid overbetting the flop on your jam.

I can't see me ever checking/folding the flop here. C/fold is far too weak a line for me after the 4 bet preflop. I would bet out on flop and take things from there. Check/raise has it's merits also.

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