25/50 ideal river betsizing?

Submitted by : Joe

** Great Crossing 2 [Holdem] (25|50 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
appleb1te sitting in seat 1 with €8823.80
Crazy-Mary sitting in seat 2 with €8246.00
PlsLetMeLose sitting in seat 3 with €6991.00[Dealer]
ProtiProt sitting in seat 4 with €7119.00
Joeik4 sitting in seat 5 with €10413.00
NYBAKTPAPPA sitting in seat 6 with €3313.60
ProtiProt posted the small blind - €25.00
Joeik4 posted the big blind - €50.00
** Dealing cards to Joeik4: X, Y
NYBAKTPAPPA folded
appleb1te folded
Crazy-Mary raised to €150.00
PlsLetMeLose folded
ProtiProt folded
Joeik4 raised to €500.00
Crazy-Mary called - €500.00

Flop (Pot : $1,025.00)

   
Joeik4 bet - €600.00
Crazy-Mary called - €600.00

Turn (Pot : $2,225.00)

   
Joeik4 bet - €1350.00
Crazy-Mary called - €1350.00

River (Pot : $4,925.00)

   
Joeik4 ?

Basically I was thinking either shove or like 1/2 pot or check entire range, but dunno.

If you want a balanced size here id probably jam but idk i tend to not worry about balanced sizing in this spot if your not going to be in this spot very often against an ok reg..

i guess jamming is fine if u jam ur whole range, which is a slight overbet

why not just bet more on the turn to begin with and its ez jam?

i like jamies answer but to satisfy the parameters of the question. id jam

No history? just shove

We're jamming
I wanna jam it with you,
We're jamming, jamming
And I hope you like jamming too

Really dont like a shove, we are most likely against a pretty weak range and that A coming would have hit us way more than him, but without history im not really sure we can check and hope he turns JJ into a bluff to get us off Kx, but I think a small bet would be better with our entire range, that I assume is more value oriented.

On December 28 2009 12:25 EvilSky wrote: Really dont like a shove, we are most likely against a pretty weak range and that A coming would have hit us way more than him, but without history im not really sure we can check and hope he turns JJ into a bluff to get us off Kx, but I think a small bet would be better with our entire range, that I assume is more value oriented.

are you assuming we have a hand? i mean when im shoving this river most of the time i DONT have a hand, and its only when I know that someone is capable of making cool hero calls that ill start mixing in 1/2 pot bets and c/fs. also im c/c a good Ax some of the time on the turn, so that decreases the likelyhood of the A hitting my range, but thats just me.

So what would your range be here for shoving the river?

I mean Im not asking you to get specific but I cant imagine having more air than value hands, that would imply shoving every single missed FD and a lot of pure bluffs on top.

On December 28 2009 11:34 RaSZi wrote: God the word jam is fucking annoying. NOTHING is worse than CHECKJAM though.

it sounds like some kind of sandwich

can i get more check with that jam plz

jam seems fine but would be a little more comfortable if you just bet bigger on flop and turn

less strategy, more recipe

Hm. sorry, but I'm curious as to people's thoughts. What possible hands could Crazy-Mary hold right here? We know CM has position on Hero so CM may have a bit of a larger range after calling a 3-bet. But calling each street? A king? KQ? What possible hands are a likely possibility given CM's play?

I'd say KJ, call call both streets. Ax clubs or spades, floating flop/chasing flush draw. The part that concerns me is that with your 3-barrel+jam, the only hand CM is calling with is probably one that caught the flush? So would a slightly overbet jam still be a "valuebet" here?

On December 28 2009 11:23 tomson wrote:

well played

On December 28 2009 12:25 EvilSky wrote: Really dont like a shove, we are most likely against a pretty weak range and that A coming would have hit us way more than him, but without history im not really sure we can check and hope he turns JJ into a bluff to get us off Kx, but I think a small bet would be better with our entire range, that I assume is more value oriented.

Without some history my range here is usually more bluff oriented.

On December 28 2009 14:08 EvilSky wrote: So what would your range be here for shoving the river?

all kinds of shenanigans!