25/50 tough spot

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PokerStars Game #37211927867: Holdem No Limit ($25/$50 USD) - 2009/12/26 12:18:18 ET
Table Wasat VI 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: tjbentham ($7119 in chips)
Seat 2: WCG|Rider ($5000 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($12113 in chips)
Seat 4: russ0618 ($9982 in chips)
Seat 5: thecortster ($5000 in chips)
Seat 6: lexapro10mg ($19558 in chips)
lexapro10mg: posts small blind $25
tjbentham: posts big blind $50

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
WCG|Rider: folds
wobbly_au: raises $100 to $150
russ0618: folds
thecortster: folds
lexapro10mg: raises $300 to $450
tjbentham: raises $300 to $750
Hero: calls $600
lexapro10mg: calls $300

Flop (Pot : $2,250.00)

   
lexapro10mg: bets $1600
tjbentham: folds
Hero:

i dont see a single thing you can do but call here and then evaluate later. need to see what the turn action is but most likely folding to a turn bet because if he doesnt have a K he will shut down his mid pairs/bluffs cause its so easy for you to have a K or not fold QQ/JJ in his eyes

preflop i almost certainly play the same as well cause 4bet call is not so good with these stacks (awkwardness created by teej small 4bet, if he made it 1200 you could 5bet to like 3000, call teej and fold to the other guy, but here you are putting in too much and nobody is 6betting light enough) and 5bet fold with QQ is dumb i think when you have position and decent stack depth

u mean 5bet.
i agree with daut i think thats good.

i dont remember exactly what lexapro was like but if my i remember correctly. I thinnk he 3bets a lot and doesn't like to fold much. especialy to something retarded like a min4bet. I also seem to remember him leading a lot and sort of just betting as long as he has the initiative, however i dont recall his SPECIFIC tendencies since fish are like snowflakes =]. I would probably call call call on a board like this. my reasoning is that he will just keep betting and he prob thinks we'll eventually fold everything but a king. OR he has nothing so he has to keep betting. Something like that. but im not sure how good that logic is.

i just wanna mention again that these are thing things that came to mind when i thought about him but i might be thinking of someone else. im like 70% sure that hes the person im thinking of.

my impression of him is that hes a donating fish but he might be a little more of a competent fish. god i wish i remembered what he was like =[

btw let me also add that i am not sure but i think hes the type that prob isnt 5betting AK but i also think he has like a fairly wide range for leading and no idea about his K leading frequencies

WCG|Rider: folds
wobbly_au: raises $100 to $150
russ0618: folds

do i see a ghost?

i guess babs is wobbly?

Probably posting the HH on wobbly's behalf, I don't think they are the same person...?

wtf hacking aussies

OH snap! i didn't pay attention to the hand that closely. lol at not using the hero button

Villian is a donk but hes not passive, he can very well have 76s here and barrel it for 2-3 streets, so id start by calling. With shallower stacks you might raise it small to induce but here I dont think its really viable, so start calling and praying imo.

i'd fold here or be calling multiple streets usually, i don't think he is going to lead out with 76s and then not bluff the turn, so i think calling once and folding on blanks is pretty bad

tbh on this board i RLY like flatting no matter the stack size against someone like him. i dont think hes the type to neccesarily spaz. more like just hang himself

On December 26 2009 17:13 MezmerizePLZ wrote: i'd fold here or be calling multiple streets usually, i don't think he is going to lead out with 76s and then not bluff the turn, so i think calling once and folding on blanks is pretty bad

agreed.

just because he doesnt have many pure bluffs doesnt mean you dont have a lot of value vs his range in position

he could easily frontbet 44-JJ thinking it will be too hard to play if he c/c or it checks through and overs come and give up if he gets called

i need reading comprehension or something. what do you mean daut?
we aren't saying he doesn't have pure bluffs and we also aren't saying he doesn't have value hands like u said. =o

clay said he thinks calling once then folding after to a bet is bad because he thinks if the guy decides to randomly bluff 67s he will continue doing it on the turn and that you should either fold the flop or call multiple streets.

what im saying is i think he has a lot of middleish value type hands so we have more than enough value against his range to call once, and i dont think he has a lot of complete air hands so i think calling once and folding afterwards could be correct.

of course the more bluff hands you throw in and how much showdown value he perceives himself to have will cause him to turn certain hands into bluffs trying to fold out what we have so it may be right to call more than once, but i think he expects us to have a fairly strong range and not fold it a lot.

i guess i was wrong before that we have Kx a lot compared to TT-QQ, but we certainly have it some % of the time given that we have the button and are fairly deep.

but yea i think flop is an auto call regardless

seems like a lot of you havent played vs villian,

Id call and probably not be folding at alll

oic daut.
however i think if he had say 88. i think he prob would just bet anyway.

ACTUALLY i got a question. assuming we are checked to on turn what do we do? and whats our plan ?

jamie confirms that what i remember about the guy is probably true

What I wanna know is what tjbentham has

AJs/AQ im assuming. i love it though =] i think its friggin sweet