10/20 hu

guy is pretty standard 10/20 hu player. first hand is shoving as a bluff good

second hand was maybe 5-6 hands after this first hand on a different table, id been 4betting around average amount, maybe a bit more - he had flatted once so far and it didnt get to showdown
Submitted by : PoorUser

***** Hand History for Game 17013465976 ***** (Full Tilt)
$2000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 22, 06:45:30 ET 2009
Table Leland (heads up deep) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: 4GreatJustice ( $3122.00 USD )
Seat 2: PoorUser ( $5308.00 USD )
PoorUser posts small blind $10.00 USD.
4GreatJustice posts big blind $20.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to PoorUser
PoorUser raises $50.00 USD
4GreatJustice calls $40.00 USD

Flop (Pot : $110.00)

   
4GreatJustice checks
PoorUser bets $100.00 USD
4GreatJustice raises $300.00 USD
PoorUser calls $200.00 USD

Turn (Pot : $710.00)

   
4GreatJustice bets $540.00 USD
PoorUser calls $540.00 USD

River (Pot : $1,790.00)

   
4GreatJustice checks
PoorUser bets $4408.00 USD

***** Hand History for Game 17013506350 ***** (Full Tilt)
$2000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 22, 06:47:08 ET 2009
Table Crestwicke (heads up deep) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: 4GreatJustice ( $3083.50 USD )
Seat 2: PoorUser ( $7463.75 USD )
PoorUser posts small blind $10.00 USD.
4GreatJustice posts big blind $20.00 USD.

Holecards
Dealt to PoorUser
PoorUser raises $50.00 USD
4GreatJustice raises $200.00 USD
PoorUser raises $375.00 USD
4GreatJustice calls $215.00 USD

Flop (Pot : $790.00)

   
4GreatJustice checks
PoorUser bets $420.00 USD
4GreatJustice calls $420.00 USD

Turn (Pot : $1,630.00)

   
4GreatJustice checks
PoorUser checks

River (Pot : $1,630.00)

   
4GreatJustice bets $2228.50 USD

1st hand is pretty, dont think people do that enough, hard to imagine you get looked up in that spot and a ten smacks enough of his bs hands that bluff is needed imo.

2nd hand is I guess if he's flatted 4b before then I'd fold since his range more likely to smack that board / he prolly thinks its hard to fold a pair caz its hard to pair.

i think the first hand can't be a bad bluff, he probably folds enough to be fine

the second hand i think he usually has the 7 to be floating that flop OOP in a 4bet pot or value jamming the river with a set assuming you'd bet a 7 on the turn, and just making up for missed turn bet by shoving. Either way i don't think hand 2 is a bluff and i'd prob fold like a sheet of paper.

It really depends on the river dynamic you had going on in this match, if every hand was a shove on the river then it makes it a lot closer, but if it's the first hand of a match vs a regular then it's a lot easier to fold and get a grip on the guy's game. On the first read through of the hand it feels like he has the nuts but you have the Qs so it's not QJ, so either a 7 or 7J, so i would go with my gut and fold, instinct trumps logic almost always in this silly game.

not sure bout the bluff in first hand... i mean the bluff is fine, but why not just check it down, I feel you have the best hand a lot when he checks river

On December 23 2009 00:13 Fayth wrote: not sure bout the bluff in first hand... i mean the bluff is fine, but why not just check it down, I feel you have the best hand a lot when he checks river

Check back river if it's like lower than an 8 or pairs the board sure. If it drops a ten jack or king I think he probably is able to roll over enough hands that bink a better pair, and if it's letting him get to easy showdown vs shoving a spot that almost always puts him into a shit hole, I'd lean to shoving being better. Again, I think too many players auto-pilot check back this river w/o realizing this is kind of a sick spot to win even more moneys.

And on the lol flip side, you get the added bonus of the small % of the time he hero calls w/ worse and sees your oopsy merge value bluff lawl for the epic win.

first hand u got called by worse !

Hand 1 uhh there are just so many factors to consider I have no idea what I think about this. I guess in a standard regs eyes our range there when we shove is polarized to a weak flush or a 9x turned into a bluff, maybe TT,T9 but I dont know if he expects you to play those hand like that. His hand... I dont know if he would go for a c/r with a flush, given the stack sizes he might but then again Im not sure what he would expect you to b/c there other than a weaker flush and he doesnt have the As. So he might have sets,2p that are going for a c/c, maybe c/f but ppl dont rly fold sets HU I think.He can also be giving up in which case we have SD value but incase he does somehow have Tx like cosmo says, which is pretty weird for him to have, I dont see why we need to shove, a smaller bet should work the same.

Hand 2 the board obviously smacked his range in the face and I dont see him having many bluffs there other than maybe A8s, some weak FD that he chose to play this way and that should be pretty much it, he is def shoving all his 2p for value there as we checked back the turn he wont be scared of a 7,It looks like a fold for me.

Knowing how u play, bluff in hand 1 is probably bad. To me it looks more like 67/68 or random double floats than a flush... The only hand I see him really folding that's worse than urs is 10x, and only if he doesn't realize it's the same as Qx. I'd probably check behind most of the time. Obviously the more solidly you've been playing the better this bluff becomes, but we know u just like to shit on ppl constantly .

Hand 2 I fold. There's not much he can have that u are ahead of...maybe random FDs that for some reason he decided to play passively or something obscure like a8...but only if he's willing to turn it into a bluff! It's funny because hand 2 is almost like being on the other side of hand 1 but since opponents are different I think the play is different

hand #1 will be profitable shove but for the wrong reason, you have the best hand here a TON and your just making him fold a worse hand, shoving establishes a more loose / aggresive dynamic which is prob more favorable for you

Shove because fuck him

Lol. I got a laugh out of one of villains threads on 2p2 the other night.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19/...l/gcp2-can-see-hole-cards-ftp-666832/

Grunch

Hand 1:
I like a bet here, but not sure about sizing.

Villain could have 444/555/ K9; all seem likely. busted straight extremely unlikely. flush is unlikely enough to discount.

What would you do with a flush here? Do you have enough history to ascertain what villain thinks you'd do with a flush? If I thought you were the bluffy overbetting type I think an overbet might make me more likely to call you than a 3/4PSB.

Hand 2:

People tend to call too much and 5bet too little this deep so I like to extract more value pre by 4betting a little bit larger.

I kinda like a C-bet of 550-600 here. I find a lot of villains will shove their shitty 2 overs+gutshot, OESD, BP+ when there's enough money in the pot that they deem it worthwhile to protect it, but allow themselves a fold when they float these hands and face a bet unimproved on the turn.

call because fuck him

hand 1

don't think bluff is good. if he didn't have showdown value, he should be betting this river most of the time. I think when he checks here, he's gonna show up with alot of qx / tx that's not folding river.

hand 2

i fold. although he polarized his hand with his sizing to announce that he either has straight or nothing, there's not much hands u beat. 45, k8, 46, A8 type hands are too little.