10/20 NFD on FLOP BUTCHERED

So I was finishing the session and just mindlessly autopiloted thru this hand. I think if I had paid more attention I wouldnt lead the flop with these stacks especially but rather C/C or C/R. Villian is pretty aggro and loose from the little Ive seen but he isnt a donk, so I think this is just a big spew. I guess as played with the donklead its a fold? I mean not enough odds to call and very little implied if any and to shove seems like suicide given the texture,stacks and his raise on this board with ADZ left to act etc
Im not really sure whats the best way to play but I guess C/C is the best line against a standartish aggro reg with little history? thoughts ?

Submitted by : EvilSky

PokerStars Game #36825965679: Holdem No Limit ($10/$20 USD) - 2009/12/17 22:02:43 CET [2009/12/17 16:02:43 ET]
Table Hibbs IV 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: fedya909 ($2417 in chips)
Seat 2: DerekJC9954 ($4883 in chips)
Seat 3: ADZ124 ($2000 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($7786 in chips)
Seat 5: JEM87 ($2828 in chips)
Seat 6: Dogg11 ($2778 in chips)
Hero: posts small blind $10
JEM87: posts big blind $20

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Dogg11: folds
fedya909: raises $40 to $60
DerekJC9954: folds
ADZ124: calls $60
Hero: calls $50
JEM87: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $200.00)

   
Hero: bets $120
fedya909: raises $330 to $450
ADZ124: folds
Hero: raises $7276 to $7726 and is all-in
fedya909: calls $1907 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($5369) returned to Hero

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4,914.00)

   

River (Pot : $4,914.00)

   

Showdown
Hero: shows (high card Ace)
fedya909: shows (a straight, Nine to King)
fedya909 collected $4911 from pot

Summary
Total pot $4914 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: fedya909 showed and won ($4911) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 2: DerekJC9954 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: ADZ124 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Hero (small blind) showed and lost with high card Ace
Seat 5: JEM87 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Dogg11 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

Also pre we like squeeze or call better ?

Bigger fan of preflop 3b imo

i perfer 3bet and i am curious about c/c or c/r i wonder what other people think of peoples cbetting ranges in this spot and how strong it is. Also what they think people will fold here.

I'm NEVER calling here preflop. Seems like a very bad play, you're only calling to hit spades trips or two pair. There's is not enough value in your hand. Totally butchered preflop imo.

I'd squeeze once in a while but most of the times folding is totally standard preflop.

Yea I guess pre is kinda fishy too, I cant seem to fold those AXs

i actually fold preflop unless i am confident that:

my squeezes are getting plenty of respect at this table / right now
or
even if called the pot will be easy to play +EV postflop (e.g. villains are going to play mostly weak/honest when they flat)

On December 18 2009 19:58 [vital]Myth wrote: i actually fold preflop unless i am confident that: my squeezes are getting plenty of respect at this table / right now or even if called the pot will be easy to play +EV postflop (e.g. villains are going to play mostly weak/honest when they flat)

fwiw i meant i PERFER a 3bet IF i play it. that might not have been clear =0

postflop is ok

id probably mix it up between bet/shove, c/c and c/r. Yeah ur probably just a little too deep to do what u did but I wouldnt call it a spew.

On December 19 2009 11:02 NMcNasty wrote: postflop is ok

i feel like that 4x raise on the flop vs someone competent and probably not creative with adz still behind makes it pretty clear that we only have fd outs, and sometimes an ace. leading flop is fine but its not like you have to b/3b allin just because you have a fd

played marginal, why being so hard on urself

Because I feel its just a mindless play, the more I thought about it this is not a good spot to lead with such a hand because when stacks go in my A is clearly never live and best case scenario is prolly him having the straight, obv there is some slight margin for other hands (and I have a couple runner straights) but not very likely given stacks,board texture and positions. I guess tho this is a direct result of flatting pre, which I dont hate that much if I just c/c this flop I dont think it would be that bad.

i like the lead but the shove is pretty terrible

On December 19 2009 18:50 MezmerizePLZ wrote: i like the lead but the shove is pretty terrible