1 Card Idiot Straight River Play

Submitted by : LazyFisH

***** Hand History for Game 2008093897 ***** IPoker
$5000.00 USD NL Texas Holdem - Sunday, December 13, 03:08:33 ET 2009
Table Mirky No DP Full Stack Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: upaymybillzzzzzz $7509.00 USD
Seat 4: LucyRokach $7015.00 USD
Seat 8: ThePharmacist $8800.00 USD
LucyRokach posts small blind [$25.00 USD].
ThePharmacist posts big blind [$50.00 USD].

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to ThePharmacist
upaymybillzzzzzz folds
LucyRokach calls [$25.00 USD]
ThePharmacist raises [$150.00 USD]
LucyRokach calls [$150.00 USD]

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $300.00)

   
LucyRokach checks
ThePharmacist checks

Turn (Pot : $300.00)

   
LucyRokach bets [$250.00 USD]
ThePharmacist raises [$750.00 USD]
LucyRokach calls [$500.00 USD]

River (Pot : $1,800.00)

   
LucyRokach checks
ThePharmacist bets [$1550.00 USD]
LucyRokach raises [$6065.00 USD]

I've got a few questions..

Given the way the hand played, isn't it possible that he doesn't put you on either JT/J9/QJ so basically a J is in never in your range here and he knows that and he's trying to shit on you? And if he wanted to build the pot why would he slowplay JT when there are tons of action-killing cards that can come on the river? Even though I don't play stakes this high I like to know the though process of you guys =O.

I said it's unlikely he'd want to slowplay JT but it's not impossible. As for my range, I agree it's pretty unlikely I have a J unless it's JT and he may well be trying to shit on me.

i think this is a sick spot vs a good player. You probably shouldn't be betting. he can rep the nuts and ur pretty much never gonna have it

also i dont think slowplaying JT in his spot on turn is necessarily bad. he probably isn't afraid of getting drawn out on as he probably thinks the most relevent draws to his hand would have bet the flop. So theres little fear of a suckout and if ur bluffing hes gonna get more money and if your not hes still gonna stack u on river a lot probably except on a few bad cards maybe though i can't think of many besides like connecting club. I dont think slowplaying JT would be a standerd here but its definitely in his range id say.

i think its a check behind. as played i think its a fold even though it sucks. Potentially we could be getting owned pretty hard here though =[

like i dont see JT 3betting this turn as much as much as you'd think. your hand is fairly defined and when all the money starts to go in its kind of an icky way to get it in his spot. as hes not bluffing there really...

This reminds of a hand where Krantz was playing HU with this guy and the board eventually came out to be A2345 and Krantz checked saying if villain is competent he'll bet with his entire range there, and sure enough villain did and Krantz instant shoved with like K9o and villain folded, lol.

Yeah I think it's prob just a check back unless you know your opponents tendencies enough to be confident in either bet/folding or bet/calling. It's def a gay spot when you get check raised here and I think you're just too liable to be making a big mistake too much unless you really know the opponent, bet/folding to a bluff is a pretty big mistake, bet/calling to a jack is a pretty big mistake, checking prevents you from making a big mistake in a spot where you're just gonna be guessing against a somewhat unknown.

I suppose that villain is tricky enough that a check back on the river is probably best. Vs normal players that limp pre im value-betting river all day tho.

Fold to the check-raise, you should have a jack in your range often enough that villain should know a CR bluff would be a bit bad.

I don't like betting riv :/. As for having enough Jx in our range...well I dunno about that either lol

Check back river unless you know what to do in this spot imo.

For me to call here I would need to see the player bluff in a similar spot before at least once (to know they are even capable of this kind of bluff) and feel that he is likely to pull a big bluff like this at the time given the gameflow/momentum of the match.

ok so i clearly am a high stakes player, since this is a snap river check for me. now the only thing i need is a bankroll

On December 14 2009 10:42 TheHuHu3 wrote: This reminds of a hand where Krantz was playing HU with this guy and the board eventually came out to be A2345 and Krantz checked saying if villain is competent he'll bet with his entire range there, and sure enough villain did and Krantz instant shoved with like K9o and villain folded, lol.

seems really standard to me

and lol I really hate this river bet T_T

OK so the consensus is bluff with 100% of my bluff hands and value bet/call Jx?

On December 17 2009 02:37 LazyFisH wrote: OK so the consensus is bluff with 100% of my bluff hands and value bet/call Jx?

ugh, people really like bluffing this river given history?

we dont know mcnasty thats y were saying check back or else we'd be bet calling a 6. +_+

On December 17 2009 15:10 DooMeR wrote: we dont know mcnasty thats y were saying check back or else we'd be bet calling a 6. +_+

i like checking back w/ a 6 given history, but i dont think i like bluffing from either hero's or villains perspective.

sigh fold i guess

i like bet/fold i think u gotta go for value here people dont bluff raise in this spot nearly optimally to make u check back, river checkraises are usually independant of other flop and turn aggression for me as peoples ranges there are unique and unrelated to earlier streets usually.

On December 20 2009 19:16 Roman wrote: i like bet/fold i think u gotta go for value here people dont bluff raise in this spot nearly optimally to make u check back, river checkraises are usually independant of other flop and turn aggression for me as peoples ranges there are unique and unrelated to earlier streets usually.

i like this

this is a seriously gay spot....

i really like ur check on flop AND ur turn raise....on the river i dont like your bet because of your read....you said that the two of you have been trying to outplay each other a lot....you have decent showdown value and you know that he's not calling/raising u with less than a 6 (?????) which means tie pot...check behind and take the pot down or lose the minimum.....

as played, i like the response by JonnyCosMo, 'sigh fold' lol

i play micro stakes poker though....so what do i know :S