10/20 99 Annoying spot

Submitted by : Fayth

***** Hand History for Game 8621529585 *****
$2,000 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, November 17, 19:29:01 EST 2009
Table 50BB Min #1467293 No DP Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: BackDown $6,135.65 USD
Seat 3: Klonka_Nu $1,561.25 USD
Seat 1: Hero $3,576 USD
Seat 5: PAPAPOKAFACE $2,714 USD
Seat 4: huntinghigh $1,299.45 USD
Seat 2: orb_crazyk $2,000 USD
BackDown posts small blind [$10 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$20 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
orb_crazyk folds
Klonka_Nu folds
huntinghigh raises [$60 USD]
PAPAPOKAFACE calls [$60 USD]
BackDown folds
Hero raises [$245 USD]
huntinghigh folds
PAPAPOKAFACE calls [$205 USD]

Flop (Pot : $580.00)

   
Hero bets [$400 USD]
PAPAPOKAFACE raises [$1,000 USD]
Hero

why you 3b pre without knowing anything and cbet this big without knowing anything ?

On November 17 2009 19:45 EvilSky wrote: why you 3b pre without knowing anything and cbet this big without knowing anything ?

r u serious

stack off to get a read for next time? otherwise your gonna be totally readless next time as well

yea I dont get it

On November 17 2009 19:45 EvilSky wrote: why you 3b pre without knowing anything and cbet this big without knowing anything ?

rofl cuz raiser was a fish with 65bb and i wanted to isolate him

Depends on my actual image, prolly a fold though.

higly doubt hes bluffing like this ever and really no hands hed raise/get in worse for value so id prob fold

On November 17 2009 23:32 RaSZi wrote: if raiser is a fish with 65 bb you are not readless.

i meant readless in the current spot as villain is not the initial raiser, villain called the raise from the fish and then fish folded to my 3bet, and villain cold called

On November 18 2009 02:13 Fayth wrote: Show nested quote + On November 17 2009 23:32 RaSZi wrote: if raiser is a fish with 65 bb you are not readless. i meant readless in the current spot as villain is not the initial raiser, villain called the raise from the fish and then fish folded to my 3bet, and villain cold called

this is kindof important since it means you are more likely to have a hand

Aight I didnt notice the shortie, but still it feels somewhat icky with 0 reads it just seems like shoveling a bunch of money in and then going and now what?

it feels like a shove to me.

i doubt hes flatting a big hand vs the fish and then flatting a 2nd time with TT-KK, aces is always possible but he would probably try to get hu with fishy with aces also.

and if he does happen to play tt or jj like that (nobody is playing qq or kk like this ever) i think either
a) he wouldnt raise the flop or
b) he mighttttt not raise call it off for almost 150bb so its possible you could get the one better hand to fold??? (obv a stretch but i think a) is the most important part)

a 7 or 66 most likely flats the flop in case you whiffed, so i think hes full of shit and i shove. i really think this is the best play by a lot. you cant flat as its too easy for him to outdraw with hands like JTs KJs QTs, and since its too unlikely he actually has a hand shove is the only option.

two other small things. one is his raise size is pretty good to make with dogshit on this board planning to fold to a shove.

and two is you have pretty damn good equity vs 89 and 45 because its a paired board, so if his range is (89,45) 50% and (66,7x, AA) 50% then you are 40%. you are getting 580+400+400+2050= 3430:2050, which is well over 1.5:1 so vs an entire range of only getting it in you are winning money if half of it is a draw (very possible its that or higher) and i think you have a good amount of fold equity so this seems very +EV

On November 18 2009 10:20 Daut wrote: it feels like a shove to me. i doubt hes flatting a big hand vs the fish and then flatting a 2nd time with TT-KK, aces is always possible but he would probably try to get hu with fishy with aces also. and if he does happen to play tt or jj like that (nobody is playing qq or kk like this ever) i think either a) he wouldnt raise the flop or b) he mighttttt not raise call it off for almost 150bb so its possible you could get the one better hand to fold??? (obv a stretch but i think a) is the most important part) a 7 or 66 most likely flats the flop in case you whiffed, so i think hes full of shit and i shove. i really think this is the best play by a lot. you cant flat as its too easy for him to outdraw with hands like JTs KJs QTs, and since its too unlikely he actually has a hand shove is the only option. two other small things. one is his raise size is pretty good to make with dogshit on this board planning to fold to a shove. and two is you have pretty damn good equity vs 89 and 45 because its a paired board, so if his range is (89,45) 50% and (66,7x, AA) 50% then you are 40%. you are getting 580+400+400+2050= 3430:2050, which is well over 1.5:1 so vs an entire range of only getting it in you are winning money if half of it is a draw (very possible its that or higher) and i think you have a good amount of fold equity so this seems very +EV

sigh

i mean totally readless i think this is a fold

fckn gay spot

I'd shove but I'd be fairly sad in my belly.

he probably have 98 enough for a shove to be profitable, if u were 100bbs deep its a fold cuz 98 isnt a big part of his range

btw pretty standard for PAPAPOKAFACE to flat QQ+ on the button vs the fish tho, esp if the fish will fold a lot to 3 bet, but will spew postflop and/or the blinds are aggro

villain has a tilting screenname

u both have more than the starting stack, u should have some read...

i shove it in but i do think that QQ and KK is v possible unlike daut even tho i agree w a lot of his other reasoning

On November 19 2009 11:46 longple wrote: villain has a tilting screenname

what a gay id