10NL AK in sb facing BB 5 bet shove

My memories of NL10 was that TAGs were generally quite tight and 5 bet shoves were usually showing up with AA or KK in situations like this. Villains were 17/13/4.0 over 250 hands and 3 bet % of 4.5 which i dont think normally justifies a call but he started to get a aggressive for a few hands against me by 3 betting me pre flop. he may have just got a few decent hands, but is this a call nontheless?

Submitted by : gruffalo

PokerStars Game #30009700451: Holdem No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/07/02 2:45:06 PT [2009/07/02 5:45:06 ET]
Table Retsina 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Guppy100 ($15.95 in chips)
Seat 2: dlwhite1975 ($56.20 in chips)
Seat 3: Pokerschlund ($11.65 in chips)
Seat 4: Dkon4 ($21.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Spl1n ($10.55 in chips)
Seat 6: ty890 ($6.75 in chips)
Dkon4: posts small blind $0.05
Spl1n: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Dkon4
ty890: folds
Guppy100: folds
Dkon4 said, "ppl post tonnes of rubbish there"
ty890 said, "ok ill do micro"
Dkon4 said, "go to microstakes"
dlwhite1975 said, "it ty shoves i fold"
dlwhite1975: folds
Pokerschlund: folds
Dkon4: raises $0.30 to $0.40
dlwhite1975 said, "dkon had 5 left"
Dkon4 said, "im the gruffalo, so check my nick"
Spl1n: raises $0.80 to $1.20
dlwhite1975 said, "theres 15 in pot by time it gets to me"
Dkon4: raises $2.90 to $4.10
Spl1n: raises $6.45 to $10.55 and is all-in
Dkon4 said, "hmmm. 50NL, this would be a call"
Dkon4 said, "insta call"
Dkon4: folds
Uncalled bet ($6.45) returned to Spl1n
Spl1n collected $8.20 from pot
Spl1n: doesnt show hand
Dkon4 said, "AK"

Summary
Total pot $8.20 | Rake $0
Seat 1: Guppy100 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: dlwhite1975 folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 3: Pokerschlund (button) folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: Dkon4 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Spl1n (big blind) collected ($8.20)
Seat 6: ty890 folded before Flop (didnt bet)

you really cant be 4b/folding AK......you just put 40% of effective stacks in and folded with AK.

also dont chat so much and definitely dont tell him what youre folding..

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wow, i'd call there with 27o

wtf

very bad for reasons above.

basically if he is 3betting light at nl10 just get it in with AK no problem

u absolutely CANT fold after 4betting lol

This hand is extremely butchered. Really your hand could be 32o. Dont turn hands with value into bluffs, if you think he is so tight.

Call plz

ok. that is solid advice. i dont normally chat, but this became a friendly game/discussion because of an epic 4 way all-in pot when i had a set. this has been the only time i have found myself in discussion with players at the table.

also, calling the 3 bet isnt an option either since we will be OOP post flop right?

the answer im getting is either 4bet call a shove or fold to 3 bet.

On July 02 2009 08:27 gruffalo wrote: also, calling the 3 bet isnt an option either since we will be OOP post flop right? the answer im getting is either 4bet call a shove or fold to 3 bet.

Typically yes. Also, don't 4bet 40% of your effective stack there. You're totally committed to call a shove with any two cards vs his range when you do that. You might as well have 4bet shoved (not usually a bad thing).

What everyone else said. Remember, when you have an A and a K, it's tougher for him to have AA or KK, so expect to be flipping a lot and ahead of AQ and random stuff sometimes,

queens

rofl dont fucking 4bet and then fold to a 5bet, flatting your 4bet is probably something he does 1% of the time or something, these guys love jam or fold mentality

even against KK you still have 30% equity. ship it especially bvb