50NL 1010 vs Aggressive Player

Submitted by : RJ227

***** Hand History for Game 1913011423001572 ***** Cake Poker
$50.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, July 01, 12:40:17 ET 2009
Table - Pebble Beach 6-Max 11423 Real Money
Seat 5 is the button
Seat 5: Hero $50.00 USD
Seat 6: CakeSeat6 $77.10 USD
Seat 7: CakeSeat7 $36.65 USD
Seat 8: CakeSeat8 $156.80 USD
Seat 9: CakeSeat9 $105.10 USD
Seat 10: CakeSeat10 $58.65 USD
CakeSeat7 posts small blind [$0.25 USD].
CakeSeat8 posts big blind [$0.50 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
CakeSeat9 folds
CakeSeat10 folds
Hero raises [$1.75 USD]
CakeSeat6 folds
CakeSeat7 folds
CakeSeat8 raises [$5.50 USD]
Hero raises [$12.00 USD]
CakeSeat8 calls [$7.75 USD]

Flop (Pot : $25.50)

   
CakeSeat8 checks

is this a short FR table? if so i have a hard time understanding how u expect to be called by a worse range preflop if hes somewhat decent.

unfortunately pot is 25 and u have about 40. so in this spot id probably shove cos A/K/Q can all come on the turn. but dont be happy about it :/

If his 3bet range is wide here, he can easily be repping AK/AQ/AJ. He would probably reshove AA/KK pre, so can rule that out. However he is 3betting OOP which is weird for a LAG player. Usually if you 3bet OOP you want to 3bet it bigger, and make the pot a lil bigger. So I wouldnt be suprised if he is 3betting PPs here. Now he has checked to you, and you have 4bet pre, you have to bet this flop hard. $18-$21 I feel. If he calls and he checks turn (dead turn) im shoving.

just out of curiosity, what was your plan when you 4b?

playing TT vs a villain who 3 bets a lot while you are in position is not a bad idea either.

not thrilled about your 4bet. by 4betting this, you might as well have 72o.. youve essentially turned your hand into a bluff. your hand has waaaay more postflop value than preflop value.

he prolly figures that jack has nothing to do with your hand and may raise you to either see where he stands, or for value. kid could have AJo / KJs if hes as lag as you say he is.

also.. did he limp? is he in the blinds? it looks like you have the button (which is good, always good to play a 3bet pot in position) and the blinds folded, but its hard to tell what he did.

oh i see now. seat 6 is sitting out.

On July 01 2009 14:42 Chewits wrote: If his 3bet range is wide here, he can easily be repping AK/AQ/AJ. He would probably reshove AA/KK pre, so can rule that out. However he is 3betting OOP which is weird for a LAG player. Usually if you 3bet OOP you want to 3bet it bigger, and make the pot a lil bigger. So I wouldnt be suprised if he is 3betting PPs here. Now he has checked to you, and you have 4bet pre, you have to bet this flop hard. $18-$21 I feel. If he calls and he checks turn (dead turn) im shoving.

I agree with Chewits here - It's doubtful he holds AA/KK, and the J makes a set of J's less likely than usual.

You need to bet this flop, and probably continue with the hand from there.

Note: when you say he's been raising a lot, that includes somewhat actively 3betting, right?

bet 18-20 fold to jam maybe

On July 01 2009 15:20 SpeedyJack wrote: bet 18-20 fold to jam maybe

i think bet fold is pretty bad considering how much you have invested and so on.

personally on this hand i feel i am flatting his 3bet far more often then 4betting as played im not really sure what i would do

He flatted AA or KK, waiting to trap you on this kind of flop.... Or he is very loose on and called with 89, 67, 56ss... 25.5USD in the pot 38behind - I would bet flop and call push....

On July 01 2009 15:47 Veverka wrote: He flatted AA or KK, waiting to trap you on this kind of flop.... Or he is very loose on and called with 89, 67, 56ss... 25.5USD in the pot 38behind - I would bet flop and call push....

So you think he flated AA or KK, and your advice is to bet here? Sick.

This is cutoff vs bigblind. Unless you have been stealing alot from cutoff and he might have noticed, i think preflop is a pitch. Your description of him is very vague, so i assume he 3bets JJ+AQ+ here since you said he is decent. Even if its a little wider, 4betting here is not that great, if you however do want to 4bet since you think he is out of line very much, just push preflop. Any pair has 35% equity against AK QQ+. So you loose about 15$ when called and win like 8$ when he folds, meaning this has to work like 60% of the time.

Wow, you played this hand all fucked up. 4betting here, at least as little as you did, makes absolutely zero sense. You have ruined this hand, you have no choice but to get it in now.

i think this is a pretty trivial spot if you 4bet pre. i bet any amount to get it in by the turn or out right shove flop. I don't mind a small 1/3 pot bet on the flop either or even smaller to set up a turn psb shove. and this can induce some weird/retarded shit from the more agressive players. which is what you described villain to be.

I hate getting it in lighter just cuz a few players have left vs the standard nit regular tho. but if you have the right reads then this is fine. Also don't listen to the others about your 4 bet sizing pre. i love it. in an aggressive dynamic where 4 bet bluffing becomes profitable sizing it this way is very +ev.

DON'T 4 BET. But as played check and play from the turn. ez. Check in that spot by him is suspicious JJ is a very good chance and he's thinking you have AA or KK and he's like gimme moniees.

On July 01 2009 17:25 NewbSaibot wrote: Wow, you played this hand all fucked up. 4betting here, at least as little as you did, makes absolutely zero sense. You have ruined this hand, you have no choice but to get it in now.

his 4b sizing is pretty standard.

i'd rather flat pre though.

On July 01 2009 17:25 NewbSaibot wrote: Wow, you played this hand all fucked up. 4betting here, at least as little as you did, makes absolutely zero sense. You have ruined this hand, you have no choice but to get it in now.

The Cake HH's mess themselves up, I actually reraised to $13.75, not $12. Thanks for the kind words, though.

Thank you for the responses everyone.

4bet it to 20 like a man and ship the flop..... I doubt he ever has aa or kk due to no shove and he's calling pre with his entire 3bet range .... So if he's been 3betting liberally pretty easy bet/call imo

On July 01 2009 17:38 YoMeR wrote: i think this is a pretty trivial spot if you 4bet pre. i bet any amount to get it in by the turn or out right shove flop. I don't mind a small 1/3 pot bet on the flop either or even smaller to set up a turn psb shove. and this can induce some weird/retarded shit from the more agressive players. which is what you described villain to be. I hate getting it in lighter just cuz a few players have left vs the standard nit regular tho. but if you have the right reads then this is fine. Also don't listen to the others about your 4 bet sizing pre. i love it. in an aggressive dynamic where 4 bet bluffing becomes profitable sizing it this way is very +ev.

Yomer raied both points I would have although 4bet bluffing might not be quite as neccessary at NL50 FR (I am not sure about that but that is the general consensus I think), it is still good to keep it in mind, and your betsizing is great for that.
On flop I would also bet some retarded amount and jam over his raise or call his shove.