NL50 Deep AKs

Howdy,

My first day at NL50 didn't go too well, partially because of this hand (results are included sorry)

Villain is pretty much unknown but seems pretty nitty from the 27 hands I have (running at 11/7/13% 3bet). We are both very deep. The main problem stems from both being deep and I have no idea how to play it - looking back I should of re raised the flop hard, but as a first position raiser then calling my 3bet I put him on a completely different range of hands and when the 3 spades hit and I have the As I didn't think he would have the flush.

Basically the problem is much worse as I spewed 200bb away, I feel like I have no idea how to play this properly.

http://www.liquidpoker.net/h/712367

deepstack play gives people implied odds out the ass to call with more speculative hands.. especially suited connectors and pocket pairs in hopes to take down a huge pot. a larger reraise preflop against the deep stack to try to cut down on those odds wouldnt hurt in this situation. plus, youre pumping value in when you figure to be best (always a good thing).

not that you had a choice in this situation, but in 3bet pots with deep stacks, i like to exercise some pot control based on my hand strength. in my opinion, flopping the Aces with the possible spade draw out there for him, its a 75-100bb hand, and you should try to slow the hand down as much as possible due to the fact you are deep stacked. if he seems determined to push the action on the flop (as he was).. i think you should either get it in or fold, for two reasons:

1) if youre getting it in on the flop, you put massive amounts of pressure on him if he in fact does have a spade draw.. the type of pressure this tag player may not be able to withstand. if you jam the flop, hes most likely going to fold his draw.

2) and this is what i would prolly do..

flat the raise on the flop, and evaluate the turn. with the spades, id fold the turn. pretty clear that he either has a set or a flush (maybe a chop, but for that much money, im not willing to find out). against those two possible hands, your equity sucks.. even with the A high redraw. board pairing on the river is a blank, not sure why youd bluff/shove it.. if anything, that gave him a boat. i guess you could try to make it look like you riv'd a boat, but i doubt hes folding (if you had top set on the flop you woulda jammed due to the spade draw).

if the turn wasnt a spade, id raise to see where i stand.

try not to get it in with top pair/top kicker in deep stack play. also, try to evaluate your hand strength based on the board. 2pair or better on most boards is fine. set is preferable. try to pick great spots for that much money.
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dont be shy to call 3bets with suited connectors or low pocket pairs in deepsack play. they give you the opportunity to flop 2pair or better. by doing so, you are putting yourself in a stiuation where you cooler your opponent more often than he coolers you. just make sure you aren't over calling huge 3bets.

comments on my analysis please, as this is my understanding of the situation/general theory. but, i still like to discuss general strategy/theory and am always willing to gain other people's perspectives on situations (especially for deep stack play). Thanks!

it's ok to go broke on the flop if you 3bet pf.

don't shove that river --_--

if your just moving up your probably shouldn't play 200bb deep if your not comfortable yet

u 3bet and polarise ur range. he has incredible implied odds preflop.

this is not an auto stack off. just play it as u would 100bb deep knowing that ur hand is defined by ur 3bet preflop

That's definitely a tough spot. I think your preflop play was fine, and I like strydah's analysis on the rest.

Who cares its deep, you should generally 3bet more OOP.

The fact that its deep makes it just more important.

if youre going to call the flop rr smash yamchae's face in

this kid likes to get cutesy

Strydah covered the hand pretty well so I won't go into that. I personally feel you should be reraising the flop to ~50 and getting it in, though.

I also agree with 3bet strategy deepstacked -- when you have more deep stacks you should be calling and seeing a lot more flops with suited/connected hands.

However, I think that when you are deeper calling a 3bet with a lot of broadway hands really decreases in value. KQ/KJ/AJ are probably going to be behind if you get in 200bb. With suited connectors you will know where you stand, and can get paid on flops like A56, 662, etc when you flop big.

yes, totally agree with the broadway, which is why i did not mention them. however. broadway suited i like for the straights and flushes. and 2 pair. they are a little trickier to play because you are putting your opponent on the same type of cards so play the high suiteds with caution.. for all you know he could have top set.

I think you might have got a little scared at the thought of bombing the flop but definately pump it to around 50 and ship the turn imo

i like the idea of calling his flop raise and calling him down if hes an aggressive opponent whos able to make a tripple barrel bluffz but given this, you should c/c river, against a stationary guys, flop 3b is way more superior

btw - i love his betsizing, so damn sexy if hes going to barrel <3!

On July 01 2009 18:54 GirlsRVicious wrote: I think you might have got a little scared at the thought of bombing the flop but definately pump it to around 50 and ship the turn imo

I did get a little scared, its the biggest pot I have been in ever...

3bet flop is good.


as played donk shoving that river is just shitting on yourself

i hate yamchae but i did stack him with quads yesterday against his rivered flush :l.

I guess I 3bet the flop :l. He could easily have a set here though cause you're deep and he def doesnt raise this flop with KQ, KJ type hands. I think you're getting shit on by his range if u ship this flop tbh. I don't know what to do here lol.

yeah, yamchae is really tight, he plays like 15/11 over a 500 sample size. I don't remember playing with deep stacks vs. him tho.

Edit: well at least he mixes up his game, raising 58s from utg now and then. That really surprises me.

On July 01 2009 19:52 traxamillion wrote: 3bet flop is good. as played donk shoving that river is just shitting on yourself

exactly what i think

On July 02 2009 17:47 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 19:52 traxamillion wrote: 3bet flop is good. as played donk shoving that river is just shitting on yourself exactly what i think

I have come around to that line of thought too.

Def. 3bet bigger pf vs bigger stack oop, call flop, check call turn, check call//fold river(you can flip a coin for this). Poker is ez. Without read i am not shoving this flop, no reason for it.

i think its all good, river is just feel, check call if u think hes capable of 3 barrel bluffing and is doing it in this spot. check fold if not

but open shoving river is dumb imo