NL2: I have the straight, why is he potting?!

Submitted by : exalted

Full Tilt Poker Game #13128498245: Table Bardstown (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:33:07 ET - 2009/06/30
Seat 1: bobfok ($122.35)
Seat 2: exaltedsky ($233.10)
Seat 3: Freudian Bet ($404.75)
Seat 4: Flashish ($217.20)
Seat 5: FrozenEmpire ($343.30), is sitting out
Seat 6: MattFrost ($480.15)
bobfok posts the small blind of $1
exaltedsky posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #6

Holecards
Dealt to exaltedsky
Freudian Bet folds
Flashish has 15 seconds left to act
Freudian Bet stands up
Flashish folds
MattFrost raises to $6
bobfok raises to $10
exaltedsky has 15 seconds left to act
exaltedsky calls $8
MattFrost calls $4

Flop (Pot : $30.00)

   
bobfok checks
exaltedsky bets $18
MattFrost calls $18
bobfok has 15 seconds left to act
bobfok folds

Turn (Pot : $66.00)

   
exaltedsky has 15 seconds left to act
exaltedsky checks
kklonoa adds $200
MattFrost bets $62.20
exaltedsky

The question to me, is why would he pot a flush here when I check it to him, but at the same time, does he really semibluff bet pot here just to commit himself? Its so hard to think about his hand because he's representing a flush, but why would he pot the flush?

So yeah.

I always level myself into shoving here using that logic and they always have some fishy flush like 32dd.

It may be a fold, but your life is much much easier if you bet/fold the turn and play the river straightforward imo. Also that way you get more value from the hands you beat whilst charging the ones that contain a diamond.

he's potting because he also has a straight. Perhaps with 8d, or perhaps he thinks he's value betting against a combo draw.

to level you into making this thread.

call and bluff catch river imo

wtf
why on earth are you checking the turn

bet/fold though, srsly?

this ass hole has Ad or Kd, ship that shit asap plz
edit: drunk post out of my limits! lol

Betcall turn imo, and i dont see any merits for checking turn at all, except for maybe CRAI, but that would require for him to think your somewhat of a tricky bastard. Checking and going life tanking is definitely bad, you need a plan.

checking turn is so bad, i cant begin to make comments here
you should NEVER EVER check this turn

TTom, explain your thoughts on why the check is bad.

Doesn't Ad or Kd bluff jam this turn sometimes knowing that I can't have an 8 a lot?

Why is it so important we bet for value here? Is bet/fold that more attractive than c/cing here?

if you check and continue on the turn you can not have the bluff

and when you bet the flop you can have the bluff a lot

yeah pooruser obv nailed it

also to elaborate on your range question, how on earth does naked Ad or Kd call the flop? if villian is floating the flop as light as AKo // if so then hes horrile and bet / calling is the correct play anyway, it's almost impossible for him to have a big naked diamond

well if by check/calling you are assuming to get stacks in you are way better off betting yourself, he will check back a lot of hands you beat and bet all hands that beat you. Villian is obv some donk given his preflop 3b size and we can get sooo much value from a bet here that we dont get if we check. I would almost rather c/f than c/c here.

villain was pf opener no 3bettor

bet/call turn

well, in this spot i'd probably just check/fold now
he's never doing this with any big naked diamond
plus his 3bet calling range against a preflop min3bet is really wide, probably includes all suited connectors.

isn't this turn improving our hand, why the hell would we check/fold.