NL1: 3bet light, double gutter

Submitted by : exalted

Full Tilt Poker Game #13098561260: Table Forhan (6 max) - $0.50/$1 - Pot Limit Hold'em - 10:50:09 ET - 2009/06/29
Seat 1: exaltedsky ($100)
Seat 2: dybc500 ($99.75)
Seat 4: drei1padsvb ($267.70)
Seat 5: RobinHUD ($124.60)
Seat 6: DerPinguine ($113.40)
dybc500 posts the small blind of $0.50
drei1padsvb posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to exaltedsky
SCOTT--CRAZY sits down
SCOTT--CRAZY adds $50
RobinHUD has 15 seconds left to act
RobinHUD raises to $3.50
DerPinguine folds
exaltedsky raises to $12
dybc500 folds
drei1padsvb folds
RobinHUD calls $8.50

Flop (Pot : $25.50)

   
RobinHUD checks
exaltedsky

If you know that villain will call your 3Bets light, then you want to get it in and expect him to fold most of the time. I expect to fold out all his weaker hands as well as TT, JJ and AK pretty much all the time. QQ sometimes, though much more rarely. Here I would check and shove over turn bet, regardless what card comes. If he checks turn I check and if he bets river, shove over his river bet. If he checks river, I just shove then. All of this is regardless of what cards come. Though if he is likely to call you light, there isn't anything wrong with playing a bit trappy and letting him bluff if you hit your draw.

If you were OOP, I'd check-sh again regardless of street whenever he gets the balls to bet. Though I do feel the need to point out that 3betting 86o OOP vs UTG open would be HORRID under most circumstances.

Of course, all this assumes he is not suspicious of you and you haven't been lagtardy lately at this table.

However, the sendoff point for this hand should be why DID you 3B his UTG R with 86o in the first place? I think that's important for this entire hand pre-flop and post. I mean 86o has almost no potential what so ever and no card removal effect. When you are 3betting him with it, you are basically saying that 3betting 2 napkins in this spot versus this player is profitable. So what were your thoughts. Base your post-flop play on that. Because if you are 3betting total junk and then don't really know how to proceed post-flop, you are likely better off folding in the first place.

If he is c/r happy in a 3bet pot, I will always check behind. Other than that, I would bet 15 and check turn.

I don't really know oop because I will never have 86o in a 3bet pot oop, but I would probably c/shove flop.

if u 3-bet THAT and then don't know how to play it on THAT flop..

U basically flop the nuts,just get it in

i usually check against this type of player and bet a lot of turns when checked to

On June 29 2009 13:03 gruzerz wrote: if u 3-bet THAT and then don't know how to play it on THAT flop.. U basically flop the nuts,just get it in

you are an idiot

phexac wtf are you talking about

On June 29 2009 22:50 Bullshit wrote: phexac wtf are you talking about

Poker. If you noticed, this whole site is devoted to it.

lol,just by making this thread u prove my point..

Why the F*** u 3-bet with 68o?To show how cool u r?To make an image?Answer urself these questions instead of asking "I 3-bet and now I have no idea what to do,pls help..."

sometimes you just gotta 3bet

and i am with timdawg on the free card here but if he calls wide enough pre cbet is better

On June 29 2009 13:03 gruzerz wrote: if u 3-bet THAT and then don't know how to play it on THAT flop.. U basically flop the nuts,just get it in

this is a dumb advice

On June 29 2009 23:29 Baal wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 13:03 gruzerz wrote: if u 3-bet THAT and then don't know how to play it on THAT flop.. U basically flop the nuts,just get it in this is a dumb advice

this is a dumber post for sure

i'm not really a fan of bet/shove or c and reeval turn....

this spot just sucks, i think i'm leaning towards the check after thinking about it for a while

i think that on instinct i would bet/shove, but checking seems to be the better option

I cbet around 17 ~ most of time he's gonna call and check/raise turn if he has a made hand, so even if you miss turn you still get a free river card ^_^

You got 2 ways to play this. Passive, or aggressive. You can take the freecard expecting him to c/r the flop with anything. If you hit you are likely taking a big chunk out of him with his entire range except for AK, which he can fold. All other PP's and if youre lucky, sets earn you a full stack practically no matter what. I like this line better because it's safer and can be employed over and over again with your entire range in future hands.

orrrr

you can bet/shove over any flop raise he makes, and have a good chance at folding out everything BUT a set, at least if you like to gamble it up a little.

prob check and then bet turn if checked to again, cbet/shove here is gross, u have at best 30% equity and villain is probably never c/r this flop as a bluff in a 3bet pot cuz it's 100nl and pretty much no one bluffs in 3bet pots.

On June 29 2009 12:12 exalted wrote: How would you play this OOP? bet small/shove? check/raise?

If i have 86o OOP in a 3bet pot i'm obv drunk for the first time in my life so probably just open shove, how else would u possibly have this hand OOP in a 3bet pot

On June 30 2009 02:41 palak wrote: prob check and then bet turn if checked to again, cbet/shove here is gross, u have at best 30% equity and villain is probably never c/r this flop as a bluff in a 3bet pot cuz it's 100nl and pretty much no one bluffs in 3bet pots. Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 12:12 exalted wrote: How would you play this OOP? bet small/shove? check/raise? If i have 86o OOP in a 3bet pot i'm obv drunk for the first time in my life so probably just open shove, how else would u possibly have this hand OOP in a 3bet pot

3betting the bu from the bb?

bet flop, bet turn