[PLO400] Bottom Set vs raise flop

Sirpaul is a NLHE player, I have a lot of history with him in NL, but like 20 hands in PLO. In both games he seems to be the weak-tight type of guy, but might over value holdings as he's making the transition to PLO.
Bizz can also be named "deadmoney", and click button at random.
What's the best plan on turn (feel free to comment the first bet as well...) ?

Submitted by : Patrocle

***** Hand History for Game 4779011560 ***** Everest
$400.00 USD PL Omaha - Monday, June 29, 01:02:01 ET 2009
Table Lessing0 Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: Hero $344.70 USD
Seat 3: sjaak-afhaak $380.40 USD
Seat 4: sirpaul $528.30 USD
Seat 6: Bizzzco $340.00 USD
sjaak-afhaak posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
sirpaul posts big blind [$4.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero [ ]
** Dealing down cards **
Bizzzco calls [$4.00 USD]
Hero raises [$18.00 USD]
sjaak-afhaak folds
sirpaul calls [$14.00 USD]
Bizzzco calls [$14.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $56.00)

   
sirpaul checks
Bizzzco checks
Hero bets [$56.00 USD]
sirpaul raises [$224.00 USD]
Bizzzco folds
Hero ??

with ur stack and ur flop bet is easy shove

On June 29 2009 00:11 gruzerz wrote: with ur stack and ur flop bet is easy shove

ok, what about the first bet ?
Should we bet less to B/C or is this a B/Shove ?

On June 29 2009 00:17 Patrocle wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 00:11 gruzerz wrote: with ur stack and ur flop bet is easy shove ok, what about the first bet ? Should we bet less to B/C or is this a B/Shove ?

I don't understand, do you not want to get all the money in the pot with this hand? I think pot/pot is a pretty good line for this hand

On June 29 2009 00:57 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 00:17 Patrocle wrote:   On June 29 2009 00:11 gruzerz wrote: with ur stack and ur flop bet is easy shove ok, what about the first bet ? Should we bet less to B/C or is this a B/Shove ? I don't understand, do you not want to get all the money in the pot with this hand? I think pot/pot is a pretty good line for this hand

As I'm learning the game, I'm considering all options.
In the first hand, our hand looks good, but it is a weak made hand *and* our flush draw sucks,
so I guess you might play this hand differently.

hmm 3rd set, 3rd nuts on drawy board, where u have blockers or outs vs any hand, awwwwwwwiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnn

the thing is u r in bad shape vs higher set+higher fd.But since u dont even have full stack,this is an easy AI.U have a decent hand pf,u raise it and pretty much hit the dream flop,now just get it in.

On June 29 2009 04:41 Patrocle wrote: Show nested quote + On June 29 2009 00:57 blackjacki2 wrote:   On June 29 2009 00:17 Patrocle wrote:   On June 29 2009 00:11 gruzerz wrote: with ur stack and ur flop bet is easy shove ok, what about the first bet ? Should we bet less to B/C or is this a B/Shove ? I don't understand, do you not want to get all the money in the pot with this hand? I think pot/pot is a pretty good line for this hand As I'm learning the game, I'm considering all options. In the first hand, our hand looks good, but it is a weak made hand *and* our flush draw sucks, so I guess you might play this hand differently.

My problem with not getting all the money in on the flop is you don't really know how to play the turn unless you have a good read. There's a reasonable chance that he has either a better set, a better flush draw, or a better straight draw. The funny part is you don't know if you want your flush to hit or not, and you don't know if you want your straight to hit or not, so seeing an extra turn card won't do anymore than give you another decision to make.

But chances are at least 2 of your 3 "hands" are good and maybe all 3 if he has something like top 2. It's very unlikely he has a better set and better flushdraw, so at the very worst you're probably a flip and at the best you have him crushed. It's hard to tell what card is good or bad for you on the turn so I think you should just jam it and wait for the cards to turn over.

I dont think he ever checkraises a higher set given ur reads.
U could easly fold it if u didnt have the FD but u have outs to beat anything.

All in baby.

You hit a monster flop, just get it in.

If you are against a higher set + higher flush draw then you got coolered pretty hard, if he has anything else, you are fine.



Checking the flop behind would be quite fine with a hand like top and bottom pair + weak fd + gutshot etc, your hand is a huge monster.

On July 02 2009 19:38 Joe wrote: You hit a monster flop, just get it in. If you are against a higher set + higher flush draw then you got coolered pretty hard, if he has anything else, you are fine. Checking the flop behind would be quite fine with a hand like top and bottom pair + weak fd + gutshot etc, your hand is a huge monster.

and do you like my first bet ? Or should I bet only 2/3 or 3/4 of the pot in those multiways situation ?

this is such an easy hand -.-
just follow the advice in the thread

Your flop bet is fine, but it doesnt matter that much here anyways.

get it in very happily

You either have a ton of outs, or a bunch of blockers. Get it in!