KK in the 3k tripple chance

Ok so I just busted out of the 3k wsop tripple chance event.

Im a bit confused about a huge hand that killed me in the donkament. Villian is an old dude but he isnt bad, hes very agressive and has a big stack after running hot and running people over. He is pretty spazzy but not a retard. an orbit earlier he raises in mp and I flat with QJ, flop comes Q54dd he bets I call turn 5s he bets i call river J he bets I ship he folds.

So heres the hand: Villian has something like 22k and I cover at 100/200/25 Villian raises to 600 utg, I bomb it to 1900 in mp with KhKc. Folded around to villian who calls pretty quickly. Flop comes 6h5h9c. Villian checks I bet 2500 he pretty quickly checkraises to 6-7kish.

Now what?

this is outta my league but why would you not jam here? I'm way confused

like if you just call there are so many bad turns and stuff, isn't ur decision purely shove or fold? Why would we ever fold vs an aggro player

I'd put him on AA-JJ, or maybe AK with a flush draw... I'd shove and hope he doesn't have the Aces.

I want to hear what the live tourney players think about that spot.I sometimes find myself in these shitty spots also.

If you don't know/like what u gonna do if he c/r u on this wet board,better check back the flop.

U have Kh,so it won't be the end of the world if another heart spikes on turn+you have a position with those deep stacks and can easily valuetown him with safe turn/river.

not enough info about villian to make one right decision. I have played quit alot live tournaments in my down casino 10-30$ buyins but ofcouse it nothing compared to wsop. But i still staring and thinking what i would do. Blinds are quit a small to go broke with 100 bb stack. Question is what he would do with set flushdraw or overpair. I think some experienced players would say fold 100% wait better spot since u got stack. But i would prolly push kinda 50% 50% between folding and pushing ..need more info about villian to make right decision.

First of all, you are a much higher level of player than me, so I am probably wrong here;

A check raise this size considering his stack size is usually the nuts. Most likely holding here is mid pocket pair. It is a difficult spot indeed. In a online tourney i would snap shove this all day. But I think vs these type of players he has you well beat. At best I feel he has 77/88 and you are ahead, but he has a gutshot. But I kinda feel he would c/c a gutshot, so it makes me more inclined to feel he is holding 55/66/99. I mean I do not think he can c/r here with air, considering you 3bet pre, so he must feel you are strong, but knows he is stronger. However, I would need to know how loose you have been playing, and how much 3betting you have done to get an idea of what he thinks you are holding to make this c/r play.

Difficult spot regardless :/

I dunno to me it looks like gutshot + PP. Especially considering previous hand I think im shipping...

But your probably better then me and I never play live + I'm not that great deep stack so... lol

6s or 5s just don't make sense to me considering the preflop action... you might be able to credit him for pocket 9s, but my call would definitely be an overpair :/

He has to assume the flop missed you as well and thinks his overpair is good here... seems like he's trying to scare you out as well... my guess would be Qs or Js

I also don't think he would be playing his set so aggressively, unless he thinks you're on a draw and wants to take the pot down now

ai easy what r u scared of.

it's live poker, you are ahead of his range no matter what

you're gunna need one hell of a fucking read to lay this down, though 110 bbs is a lot

though i think he almost always has a hand he's not folding

man i dunno i wanna hear what mig has to say

u got a shitload of chips for this level and not sure if its worth it to gamble

yeah when i first seen the thread my cashgame instincts were upset that you slowrolled a thought other than shoving but 110bbs is like 4 buyins deep equivalency.

bump

Just gotta say that I have a pretty fucking good stack, my table isnt great but average chips is probably around 10-13k

i hate this spot too ,but usualy when i have a decision like this i compare the timing in the previous hands and decide what to do.

i am pretty sure that u decide to play it a little safe in some way and decide to call the turn and think that if he bluff or c/r air/one pair/ pair+fd or just fd he is going to check the turn and u are going to reavaluate and the turn fell something like 2 or 3 of hearts or a jack and ,he checks and u value own your self to his 9h8h 9hTh or 9hJh .
so basicly if u cover him even with the cbet on the flop u are still left with something like 21 k and if the table is like avrg-good i am going to fold. and hope to stack him later. when he wants to outplay the new young generation.
i am pretty sure he is not going to fold too .
there is no shame in folding

i don't think i would fold. either call/get it in on a good turn or just ship here.

Ok so I decided against 3-betting the flop because the guy was trying to run people over alot and I though I could get him to do something dumb on alot of turns. A tank for a while and call. Turn is 3h and villian checks after like 10 seconds of thinking. Now what?

I hate to oversimplify it but 100bb, villian is aggro and can get ool we got KK there are draws there, worse hands for value etc etc I jam

i check behind.

Don't think we can check again due to general shittyness of to many rivers but what the hell do I know, I busted first of everyone in the only decent buyin live donkament I've played. Check and fold to a shove on the river unless it's a K or whatever. Unless villian is a super sicko I'd probably check flop though, just to pot control. It's not like we're stacking people who has worse that often anyway. I guess turn is as good as we can ask for, so if you think he plays a lot of suited conenctors and shit I think I'd shove since even though a few of them has us crushed/in bad shape quite a lot of them are pair + draws and such. If he's somewhat tight with opening I'd say we're way ahead/way behind more often then not (except high straight draws) and I'd check and call any river that is not a 4-straight card or flush card (those I call some of the time depending on shit). If he's bad/spazzy I might be tempted fold on A's too and MAYBE 9's but that's probably bad.