nl200 line

Submitted by : gororokgororok

PokerStars Game #29876229320: Holdem No Limit ($1/$2) - 2009/06/28 19:22:26 CET [2009/06/28 13:22:26 ET]
Table Pasiphae V 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Pappe_Ruk ($200 in chips)
Seat 2: Neoblitz727 ($223 in chips)
Seat 4: gororok ($211.65 in chips)
Seat 5: VeGeTTo89 ($637.25 in chips)
Seat 6: gime2per ($239.45 in chips)
VeGeTTo89: posts small blind $1
gime2per: posts big blind $2

Holecards
Dealt to gororok
Pappe_Ruk: raises $4 to $6
Neoblitz727: folds
gororok: calls $6
VeGeTTo89: folds
gime2per: folds

Flop (Pot : $15.00)

   
Pappe_Ruk: bets $10
gororok: raises $20 to $30
Pappe_Ruk: calls $20

Turn (Pot : $75.00)

   
Pappe_Ruk: checks
gororok: checks

River (Pot : $75.00)

   
Pappe_Ruk: bets $52
gororok: raises $123.65 to $175.65 and is all-in

i like it. Confusing lines are the best way to get paid by regulars + the board is not scary, so nothing kills your action.

i like

I'm not sure I like this. This is great vs the Qx hands in his range, but does he valuebet JJ or worse here on the river? Does he ship the flop with monsters or overpairs? He raised UTG, so there shouldn't be many Qx combos.

On June 28 2009 18:53 edzwoo wrote: I'm not sure I like this. This is great vs the Qx hands in his range, but does he valuebet JJ or worse here on the river? Does he ship the flop with monsters or overpairs? He raised UTG, so there shouldn't be many Qx combos.

Its MP the table is 5 handed. KQ QJ and QTs should be in his range.

I like it too

Yeah you just repped the shit out of JT. I like it.

I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river.

On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river.

This line is probably the worst bluff line in the history of poker

On June 29 2009 00:35 palak wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river. This line is probably the worst bluff line in the history of poker

Yep when you take non standard line people call you down super light.

On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river.

wtf???

On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river.

wtf + 2

this line is phuken brilliant.

There are many bluff-catching hands in addition to Qx hands that will call like TT JJ even 88 77, and not many better hands.

On June 29 2009 13:29 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river. wtf + 2 this line is phuken brilliant. There are many bluff-catching hands in addition to Qx hands that will call like TT JJ even 88 77, and not many better hands.

So a bluff catching hand is going to bet $52 on the river, as opposed to checking and catching a bluff? Unless he is betting to induce a shove, which I highly doubt.

I'd LOVE this if I knew he ships his monsters on the flop, but I think calling is superior in a vacuum.

On June 29 2009 13:29 Rande wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river. wtf + 2 this line is phuken brilliant. There are many bluff-catching hands in addition to Qx hands that will call like TT JJ even 88 77, and not many better hands.

like edzoo said, it's pretty unlikely those hands will bet the river.

I think from the villians bet sizing that the he has the best hand here =[

KK most likely, but also possibly a set

I don't like because it nails KQ only, and seems to be a spew otherwise most of time with no history. I don't mind villain's line with overpair/set on this board.

On June 29 2009 09:38 HeRoS)eNGagE wrote: Show nested quote + On June 28 2009 23:43 phexac wrote: I don't like it. I would like this line as a bluff, but not when you have showdown value. Unless he is super suspicious of you, you are never getting called by worse here, not even KQ. Against this particular villain, it would have been perfect, if you just called river. wtf???

river is kinda thin, it comes down to how thin he value bets, if his value betting range is KQ+ then this is kinda bad (not sure if a 200NL reg ever bets worse then KQ on this river, since you turned his entire range into bluffcatchers)
I would way perfer this vs someone who you know will bet a hand like QJ w/ the intention of inducing

Basically you need a read on his river tendancies, basing this play on a few light flop floats is not so good

Not sure but think I've seen villain play KK like this. Maybe he'll fold it?