Too Thiiiin?

So its like this, 28 left 27 paid....

Submitted by : killaherni

PokerStars Game #29749896929: Tournament #173018390, $5.00+$0.50 Omaha Pot Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2009/06/24 20:31:47 CT [2009/06/24 21:31:47 ET]
Table 173018390 19 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Papeldy (10344 in chips)
Seat 3: FN-8-11 (5233 in chips)
Seat 5: samuelauer (28904 in chips)
Seat 6: weidner1982 (21314 in chips)
Seat 7: Steviee (3300 in chips)
Seat 8: grau47 (5705 in chips)
Seat 9: killaherni (12257 in chips)
Papeldy: posts small blind 150
FN-8-11: posts big blind 300

Holecards
Dealt to killaherni
samuelauer: folds
weidner1982: calls 300
Steviee: folds
Papeldy said, "wollte kein jak sehen"
grau47: calls 300
killaherni: calls 300
Papeldy: calls 150
FN-8-11: checks

Flop (Pot : $1,500.00)

   
Papeldy: checks
FN-8-11: checks
samuelauer said, "ja versteh ich aber mecker nicht"
weidner1982: checks
grau47: bets 1200
killaherni: calls 1200
samuelauer said, "über mein schlechtes spiel"
Papeldy said, "dame hate ich und könig"
Papeldy: folds
FN-8-11: folds
weidner1982: folds

Turn (Pot : $3,900.00)

   
grau47: checks
samuelauer said, "es wa vollkommen richtig"
killaherni: bets 2400
grau47: calls 2400

River (Pot : $8,700.00)

   
samuelauer said, "flushdraw + wrap"
grau47: checks
killaherni: bets 4800
grau47:

what do you mean too thin? that you're value betting a pair of 9s and its too thin? I don't even really know what a thin bluff is.

I think that bluff is fine. I don't even think it's that thin if you have the normal low stakes PLO image. If he can fold hands, he should fold anything less than a flush here.

@ Kaisr, a thin bluff is a bluff intended to fold out a small portion of the villains range, just like a thin value bet aims to be called by a small portion of the villains range.

thin is not a term used for bluffs

On June 24 2009 22:36 Baal wrote: thin is not a term used for bluffs

thats what i thought

On June 24 2009 22:26 Sicks Macks wrote: If he can fold hands, he should fold anything less than a flush here.

He was willing to call half his stack on the turn when the flush hit. I'm no tournament player, but wouldn't it be really bad to put 2/3rds of your stack in and then fold when you'd be left as the short stack on the bubble?

On June 24 2009 22:36 Baal wrote: thin is not a term used for bluffs

Haha, I was about to show up with a mountain of quoted posts with "thin bluff" in them, but searches here come up with no one really using it except me, edzwoo, floofy, and Bejamin1, and each of us only used it once before this thread. I can admit I'm wrong.

On June 24 2009 23:03 ShadowDrgn wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2009 22:26 Sicks Macks wrote: If he can fold hands, he should fold anything less than a flush here. He was willing to call half his stack on the turn when the flush hit. I'm no tournament player, but wouldn't it be really bad to put 2/3rds of your stack in and then fold when you'd be left as the short stack on the bubble?

People don't really understand implied odds, call on the turn doesn't necessitate call on the river

On June 24 2009 22:36 Baal wrote: thin is not a term used for bluffs

would u care to enlighten me?

On June 24 2009 23:36 killaherni wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2009 22:36 Baal wrote: thin is not a term used for bluffs would u care to enlighten me?

Its used for valuebets.

thin + bluff doesn't make sense in the usual term and it is much more intuitive to just ask if your bluff is bad

thin is always used in connection with an attemp to gain value

When people say "too thin" they refer to the range of hands that you can actually beat but will still call a value bet. If your hand has showdown value and the only hands that will call you are hands that beat you, then it's too thin to value bet.

On June 24 2009 23:03 ShadowDrgn wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2009 22:26 Sicks Macks wrote: If he can fold hands, he should fold anything less than a flush here. He was willing to call half his stack on the turn when the flush hit. I'm no tournament player, but wouldn't it be really bad to put 2/3rds of your stack in and then fold when you'd be left as the short stack on the bubble?

Depends on how much villain cares about being bubble boy.

when you call flop you do it because you wanna try to bluff later

He just called 2400 off on the turn and he only has 1800 behind on the river or am I misreading if I'm not its terrible....seems like he always has the nuts to just call the turn and not just ship the rest

just raise pf man

yea, wtf

he has only 1800 behind, why do you want to bluff this guy?

95% of the time after the turn he has a low flush that he won't be folding. Tourneys play much different than cash games people don't give up when they make anything decent.

$5.00+$0.50

bad idea

This is terrible.

Just fold flop.