PLO10 Wrap Spot

Submitted by : player999

PokerStars Game #28241931209: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/05/15 20:39:52 ET
Table Nortia V 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: gellissystem ($8.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Nubs123 ($9.15 in chips)
Seat 3: Sendhur ($6.10 in chips)
Seat 4: SkinnerDD ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 5: trasigsko ($6 in chips)
Seat 6: Louisme ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 7: Control365 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 8: Hero ($29 in chips)
Control365: posts small blind $0.05
Hero: posts big blind $0.10
bigpapa: sits out
trasigsko: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
gellissystem: folds
Nubs123: calls $0.10
Sendhur: calls $0.10
SkinnerDD: folds
trasigsko: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Louisme: calls $0.20
Control365: raises $0.90 to $1.10
Hero: calls $1
Nubs123: calls $1
Sendhur: folds
trasigsko: calls $0.90
Louisme: folds

Flop (Pot : $4.70)

   
Control365: bets $4.50
Hero: calls $4.50
Nubs123: folds
trasigsko: folds

Turn (Pot : $13.70)

   
Control365: checks
Hero: bets $9
Control365: folds
Uncalled bet ($9) returned to Hero
Hero collected $13.05 from pot

Summary
Total pot $13.70 | Rake $0.65
Board  
Seat 1: gellissystem folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 2: Nubs123 folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Sendhur folded before Flop
Seat 4: SkinnerDD folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 5: trasigsko folded on the Flop
Seat 6: Louisme (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Control365 (small blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 8: Hero (big blind) collected ($13.05)

Shove the flop. You only won because he played this hand incredibly bad.
(you're about 57/43 against random aces on flop and 32/68 on turn).

Preflop I actually fold or 4bet (with the intention of flatting a 5bet and getting it in on good flops).

Ps. How can you endure full ring omaha?

I like flat on flop just because you're in position and playing aces deep stack out of position is a shitty spot to be in. He can check and let himself get bluffed or let you draw for free, or he can fire again which gives you huge implied odds for a call on the flop.

ship flop. vs AA you also have straight outs

On May 15 2009 23:15 thundza wrote: ship flop. vs AA you also have two pair outs since you paired flop.

i know its +EV to just ship the flop but im looking for the BEST play

On May 15 2009 23:34 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2009 23:15 thundza wrote: ship flop. vs AA you also have two pair outs since you paired flop. i know its +EV to just ship the flop but im looking for the BEST play

Thats it

probably fold pre

On May 15 2009 23:15 thundza wrote: ship flop. vs AA you also have two pair outs since you paired flop.

Every two pair out gives hero the straight or pairs the board (which we don't want, and for some god-forsaken reason villain was afraid of).
The five does give two extra trips outs which are very welcome, though, but having the pair there is not as huge as it might seem at first against aces on that board.

To OP: given the weakness of your opponent, you played this perfectly and chose the max +EV way against him. But generally shoving this flop is the best play.

On May 16 2009 08:06 Kusimuumi wrote: Show nested quote + On May 15 2009 23:15 thundza wrote: ship flop. vs AA you also have two pair outs since you paired flop. Every two pair out gives hero the straight or pairs the board (which we don't want, and for some god-forsaken reason villain was afraid of). The five does give two extra trips outs which are very welcome, though, but having the pair there is not as huge as it might seem at first against aces on that board. To OP: given the weakness of your opponent, you played this perfectly and chose the max +EV way against him. But generally shoving this flop is the best play.

haha true. :O

i like how u played it a lot

On May 17 2009 05:30 Roman wrote: i like how u played it a lot

except i think thats a gross starting hand and would fold pre

On May 17 2009 22:49 PoorUser wrote: Show nested quote + On May 17 2009 05:30 Roman wrote: i like how u played it a lot except i think thats a gross starting hand and would fold pre

at these limits i think im allowed to play a wider pf range since i can play so much better than everyone postflop
edit: plus im deep

yeah that's true but your hand is really really trahsy nonetheless. will get you into marginal spots for sure

On May 18 2009 01:42 SpasticInk wrote: yeah that's true but your hand is really really trahsy nonetheless. will get you into marginal spots for sure

yeah i guess but its just that the 3bet pf from the nit is such a face up AAxx i just feel i have to call

Indeed. People only 3bet AAxx 95% of the time at this limits. We have position so I dont think its a marginal call since most donks go crazy and spaz out with it. But as played i think u played it really bad because betting that especific turn u only get called by hands that beat u. Plus smooth calling gives him a chance to catch a queen when he has Ak. And betting the paired jack on the turn i think is bad cuase u could already be drawing dead.

So u pretty much flopped the nuts with ur hand on the FLOP, u have at least 60% (some1 please help me with the numbers cuase i might be wron) so raisey daisy.

On May 18 2009 10:58 killaherni wrote: But as played i think u played it really bad because betting that especific turn u only get called by hands that beat u.

But i get him to fold AAxx which is pretty much his range. I get called by AAJx only imo.

Yeah but u gave him the free card. The point of floping wraps is to play them fast. right now u are happy cause u got him to fold repping a jack, but many scarylooking cards can come on the turn. I dont know i try to get it always all in on the flop with str8 wraps.

U can still get him to fold on the flop. If u get called u've got huge equity over AAxx.

what scarecards? its a rainbow flop

if he catches a FD onthe turn i dont think he is gonna stop betting and that cripples ur hand ez.

if the card that gives him the FD is 5/8/9/Q/K/A then its great for me that he wont fold.
makes up for when its a 2/3/4/6/7.

ur overthinking it imo