Do we shove this flop? PLO10

Just sat down. I don't normally play flush draws for all my stack but when it's more than 2 ppl calling I feel like I'm priced in

Submitted by : blackjacki2

PokerStars Game #27812423541: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/05/04 12:50:33 ET
Table Martir V 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Bodo84 ($10 in chips)
Seat 2: Kubex77 ($11.80 in chips)
Seat 3: hotrockets1 ($14.45 in chips)
Seat 4: n8vplaya ($7.30 in chips)
Seat 5: BlackJacki2 ($9.80 in chips)
Seat 6: mcflush400 ($7.15 in chips)
BlackJacki2: posts small blind $0.05
mcflush400: posts big blind $0.10

Holecards
Dealt to BlackJacki2
Bodo84: raises $0.25 to $0.35
Kubex77: calls $0.35
hotrockets1: calls $0.35
n8vplaya: folds
BlackJacki2: calls $0.30
mcflush400: calls $0.25

Flop (Pot : $1.75)

   
BlackJacki2: checks
mcflush400: bets $0.20
Bodo84: raises $2.10 to $2.30
Kubex77: calls $2.30
hotrockets1: folds
BlackJacki2: raises $2.10 to $4.40
mcflush400: folds
Bodo84: raises $5.25 to $9.65 and is all-in
Kubex77: raises $1.80 to $11.45 and is all-in
BlackJacki2: calls $5.05 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.80) returned to Kubex77

Super super stnd

Just pot the first raise instead of min and obv you have to call after you raise

yeah, just repop pot when u checkraise. Ur hand is actually pretty strong against 2 random raises. U have 40% of the equity imo. Or maybe a little more, any1?

One question ide like to ask, what do we do when we are on the button on this exact same situation? is it more profitable to just call if we have position on the hand?

On May 04 2009 21:00 killaherni wrote: yeah, just repop pot when u checkraise. Ur hand is actually pretty strong against 2 random raises. U have 40% of the equity imo. Or maybe a little more, any1? One question ide like to ask, what do we do when we are on the button on this exact same situation? is it more profitable to just call if we have position on the hand?

1) our absolute equity on this flop, given our club backdoor draw is good (especially if noone has AcXc** ), is just gigantic in a 3way pot. 40% might be a little off, cause they are likely to have sets or made straights and one of the two vilains draw to a full-house, the fact you actually have a 9 is good, cause you remove outs to TTxy for his full house in case you hit your flush. I guess it's more in the range of 35%, the best hand to have here, considering this flop might be Ad7d9cTc, probably. Anyway:

board: 9d7cTd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcAd9c2d 36.46% 218,647 247
TT**,77**,99**,J8**,86** 31.72% 152,500 75,677
TT**,77**,99**,J8**,86** 31.82% 153,063 75,657

If you think they can overplay two pairs types of hand in this spot 3 way (very likely, they still do it in PLO100 and PLO200, so i guess this might be something we see in small stakes), your equity increases:

board: 9d7cTd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcAd9c2d 37.13% 222,609 317
TT**,77**,99**,J8**,86**,T7**,T9** 31.36% 163,546 49,230
TT**,77**,99**,J8**,86**,T7**,T9** 31.51% 164,462 49,219


2) in small stakes, I prefer seeing a flop cheaply in position then let's play our equity. In a higher stake, I think you have to 3bet a fair amount of hands on the button to mix up, and also cause you want to play head's up pot in position rather than multiway pot, where only your equity postflop will be relevant.

Just my 2 cents, I'm still learning the game anyway

Thanks for the analaysis Patrocle

The problem I have with drawing in a multi-way pot is that a lot of times I put my opponents on the same draw and that kills a lot of my outs. For example the guy that won this pot had KJ8 all diamonds which gives him open ended straight flush and a King which is 5 of my outs. Only cards I could catch were 3, 4, 5, 6 to win the hand. Considering I have nothing invested in this pot do I have the same equity if I put an opponent on 2 of my outs?

I've loosened my game up a lot over the last 2 weeks and started shoving with a lot of hands that have had redraw value like bottom set + open end nut SD or bottom 2 pair + FD. The cards just haven't been landing for me though.

On May 05 2009 06:37 blackjacki2 wrote: Thanks for the analaysis Patrocle The problem I have with drawing in a multi-way pot is that a lot of times I put my opponents on the same draw and that kills a lot of my outs. For example the guy that won this pot had KJ8 all diamonds which gives him open ended straight flush and a King which is 5 of my outs. Only cards I could catch were 3, 4, 5, 6 to win the hand. Considering I have nothing invested in this pot do I have the same equity if I put an opponent on 2 of my outs? I've loosened my game up a lot over the last 2 weeks and started shoving with a lot of hands that have had redraw value like bottom set + open end nut SD or bottom 2 pair + FD. The cards just haven't been landing for me though.

Dont be too result-oriented, the scenario you endeavour was clearly unlikely
At higher stakes, people hardly plays hands with more than 3 cards of the same suits. but clearly, someone having the straight and 4 diamonds has hell of a hand

In this situation you have more than 25% equity plus you draw to the nuts, in the long run you profit, imo
Don't forget that this game is a real variance fest.