PLO25 AAQJ 3-way pot

Submitted by : vlseph

PokerStars Game #25869564876: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/03/12 0:50:40 CT [2009/03/12 1:50:40 ET]
Table Tilia II 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 3: iulluision11 ($41.80 in chips)
Seat 4: zachjackdad ($76.75 in chips)
Seat 5: MK12 ($17.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($34.65 in chips)
MK12: posts small blind $0.10
Hero: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
iulluision11: folds
zachjackdad: raises $0.60 to $0.85
MK12: calls $0.75
Hero: raises $2.55 to $3.40
zachjackdad: calls $2.55
MK12: calls $2.55

Flop (Pot : $10.20)

   
MK12: checks
Hero

and the gut shot for broadway. looks like a good spot to cbet to me

gay spot but you have a jack, queen for blockers and backdoor spades and gutshot as outs so i would c-bet.

your pf re-raise is bad, call is better

I wouldnt deem the raise bad cause imo its a pot sweetner in the case u flop sometthing big, like FD+overpair, FD+wrap and the sickest draw top set and FD, but i wouldnt ever cbet this flop OOP, u are putting moeny on a spot whre u are going to be called like 70-80% of the time, plus 25omaha donks luv to shove 2 pair on a 3bet flop. So if u look at the hand and the cards to come, u dont want a call cause only the K gives gin. if u flop a third Q or a 3rd A, most of the time u are going to be behind. This hand should have ben played in position. A common mistake is betting AAxx oop into 2+ oponnents if u are not goign to be able to isolate to one opponent. The cbet is only profitable if u only bet with monster flops cause in a dry flop like this u are a 60% favorite AGAINST ONE PLAYER at least, with the other two, the cbet is EV- imo.

get it ARRIN

On March 12 2009 09:19 artas wrote: your pf re-raise is bad, call is better

why?

My opinion is that we should call because at these stakes players usually re-raise pf AAxx, it means that in 99% the opponent will call, he has good odds, good position and he knows our hand ... I know that monkeys can re-raise PF anything or at high stakes people re-raise much more hands such as wraps, but if there are normal conditions which means that we dont raise a lot of hands UTG from BB and our opponent isnt donkey it is best to call. I know that this hand is AA with good backup but I think if it isnt double suited or we cant commit much more stack it is bad idea to re-raise it. Maybe it isnt bad to re-raise this pf but I think that we get more value from this hand if we call. They will think that we can have some crappy hand and if we overset someone we will stack him off (obviously we dont need only set but also top 2, fd+overpair, sd+fd can win that hand). I´m trying to say that we put 3$ in pot when we are PF something like 60-40 when we have 30$ behind and we shout: Hey you! I have aces ! Thats so easy play for him. He will w8 for his premium flops to stack us off or bluff us out of the hand.

i'm trying to isolate with the best hand here and get money in while my hand is good
is 3 betting really bad here wtf?

AAQJss is worth a rr vs idiots

seems to me that AAQJss is a pretty good hand

don't really see a 3bet with that hand losing you money

On March 13 2009 15:36 vlseph wrote: i'm trying to isolate with the best hand here and get money in while my hand is good is 3 betting really bad here wtf?

>>>u will never isolate somebody at these stakes, no one is folding

On March 14 2009 08:49 n0rthf4ce wrote: AAQJss is worth a rr vs idiots

>>> as I wrote its easy vs donkeys but what about normal good player?

On March 14 2009 16:02 traxamillion wrote: seems to me that AAQJss is a pretty good hand don't really see a 3bet with that hand losing you money

>>> I dont say that you lose money but that call is more EV+ and more profitable, thats the most important thing about this hand pf ... if it is more profitable to call or to re-raise

when i have the pf nuts how is calling more EV?.

you also contradict yourself by implying that these players are normal and good but then you also imply that they are bad and never folding cause we're at PLO .10/.25

then you ask if it's more profitable to call or 3 bet. wtf

I thought AAXXss in PLO was an auto 3bet pf?

On March 16 2009 22:49 fira wrote: I thought AAXXss in PLO was an auto 3bet pf?

no not rly, if u wanna play standardly vs standard opponents something like AA72ss is a flat but something like AAQJss is a slamdunk 3bet oop. u need to have enough AAxx's in ur OOP 3betting range to effectively rep AA enough on A high flops or flops like 259 where ur not folding AA for 100bbs.

On March 17 2009 07:34 n0rthf4ce wrote: Show nested quote + On March 16 2009 22:49 fira wrote: I thought AAXXss in PLO was an auto 3bet pf? no not rly, if u wanna play standardly vs standard opponents something like AA72ss is a flat but something like AAQJss is a slamdunk 3bet oop. u need to have enough AAxx's in ur OOP 3betting range to effectively rep AA enough on A high flops or flops like 259 where ur not folding AA for 100bbs.

Agree

I agree with flatting preflop. You're really turning your hand face up and you will probably get paid off a lot less if you spike an ace.

Odds are you won't spike an ace. Now it's your turn to act with one pair on a three person flop. Your hand is unlikely to improve other than a gutshot straight or a backdoor flush so a check will most likely allow somebody to get there.

You've made the pot so big now that you're probably looking at a near pot sized bet to win the hand right now. Now the range of hands that are gonig to jam it are so high. Any pair, straight draw or even air is probably going to jam it cause they know you have aces and their best shot at winning the pot is getting you to fold your one pair. It's also pretty intimidating when you know that they know you have aces because you'd be likely to think they'd only shove if they could beat a pair of aces especially facing a follow up bet on the flop. Now you just have a bluff catcher and you're in a god awful situation.