NL200 TPTK v LAG

i prefer a river shove

On January 15 2009 19:46 Joe wrote: Player dependant, but vs most regs ur hand is a bluff catcher on the river. Maybe already on the turn.

wat?

On January 15 2009 21:49 Balzamon wrote: Show nested quote + On January 15 2009 19:46 Joe wrote: Player dependant, but vs most regs ur hand is a bluff catcher on the river. Maybe already on the turn. wat?

he's actually kind of right

by the river I would not expect most regs to have worse than AJ. MAYBE kj.

lol @ joe

i dont expect any 100nl reg to triple barrel w/ less then TPTK

WANT

some very significant winning going on in the OP

On January 15 2009 19:56 TenBagger wrote: 60 hands is way too small a sample size. I got howieebub running at 18/14/3.6 over 1358 hands so that 36/26 that you have him at over 60 hands is doing you more harm than good if you try to make a hard conclusion over such a tiny sample size. I haven't seen him 3 barrel after an UTG raise with anything less than TPTK so I think he probably has you beat. With that said, I probably woulda played it the same. But then again, I'm kinda passive/stationy so thats probably not the optimal way to play this hand.

I kind of disagree with that. I think that the people that play are playing different styles from time to time. If you acquired that sample size over a long time, maybe he has already changed the way he plays right now.

I myself for example play different styles from time to time, sometimes i play nitty sometimes i play lag, sometimes i play crazy, it just depends what day you can catch me.
I was actually thinking of putting the feature in PAHUD to display results either from last 200 hands or just the session stats.

so what im saying is its better to have his last say 100-200 hands thatn say have 1400 which just averages all his stats

am i right or am i way off here.

way off...larger sample sizes are always more accurate to how they will probably be playing, if they are playing differently then their stats say over a large sample then u can always adjust to how they are currently playing

for example 3bet% is only really a good stat after 500+ hands, it swings all over the place w/ less hands and is not THAT good of an indicator until u have a large sample

"villan is 36/26 after 60 hands"

you think hes aggro, so why not 3bet PF...

On January 16 2009 05:17 dimitrov87 wrote: "villan is 36/26 after 60 hands" you think hes aggro, so why not 3bet PF...

3bet a UTG raiser w/ AJs=bad, folds out all worse hands, better hands usually dont call but just shove overtop...much easier to just outplay postflop

raising flop will make this hand easier to play
I'm guessing you let villain turn/river a set?

On January 16 2009 07:17 T8Suited wrote: raising flop will make this hand easier to play I'm guessing you let villain turn/river a set?

yes but we also lose money from Jx's and bluffs etc and the point of calling down was just to bluffcatch (i'm assuming)

I think your line is fine. Talented Tom said it's close between shove and call but i dont see how he's calling with worse more than 50% of the time after taking such a line
Villain is Lag but that doesnt mean you shouldnt put overpairs in his range, he's also raising all PP so 22 33 is possible too
AA KK QQ 22 33 will be played the same way 21 combos
3 barrel bluffs will be played like that too but it doesnt matter because he's never calling shove with that
and sometimes KJ QJ TJ if he's confident and likes to valuebet thin . Thats 24 combos but again it heavily depends if he's capable of thin valuebetting river like this
and most ppl will be cautious before making that 3d bet with that kind of a hand and if he does it he will fold to a shove often enough to make shoving unprofitable

high 5 well played - with really good reads and history against this guy you can raise to play for stacks on any street

rofl

Against a 36/26 (if those stats remain) I'm going to be raising flop or turn and definitely aim to get it allin. Against unknown calling down is ok I guess (60 hands is not enough). We flopped the nuts because our hand is pretty underrepped. I'm sure this guy is valuebetting 3 streets with TJ or QJ a lot.

lol @ joe

On January 15 2009 19:46 Joe wrote: Player dependant, but vs most regs ur hand is a bluff catcher on the river. Maybe already on the turn.

Hidden genius right here... he might be levelling all of us.

I have no idea how this guy plays, but his bet sizing is kind of weak and I believe he feels kind of uneasy about his hand, I'd expect most players to just bomb every street with an overpair......I think we're good a vast majority of the time. I like a shove and expect to get called by KJ.

This is of course if he is as aggro and laggy as you think.

lol @ wanting to play this hand differently on ANY street except with REALLY sick history where he thinks you are full of it a lot

yeah ok it's nice to get allin sometimes but when you raise turn and he folds airball you are a retard, and airball is a big % of his range

and if you 3bet preflop and he folds 64o you are a retard, and 64o is a big part of his range

etc

What conditions/assumptions are needed to ship this river?

lol this is 4 years late mang.

ez call/call/call unless we got a reason to do anything else otherwise. obv valuebet when checked to on any street.