[NL25] FD OOP

i have no idea how to play this, so i could use some advise

no reads on villain except that he is 22/20/3 > 40 hands.


Submitted by : EscapingR

PokerStars Game #23606333913: Holdem No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2009/01/05 22:42:52 CET [2009/01/05 16:42:52 ET]
Table Chrysothemis 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: surgeontroy ($25 in chips)
Seat 2: bmotds ($27.10 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($28.30 in chips)
Seat 4: vocd ($25.25 in chips)
Seat 5: jmr5t ($60.90 in chips)
Seat 6: KRXXXKRYYY ($12.25 in chips)
KRXXXKRYYY: posts small blind $0.10
surgeontroy: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
bmotds: folds
Hero: raises $0.75 to $1
vocd: calls $1
jmr5t: folds
KRXXXKRYYY: folds
surgeontroy: folds

Flop (Pot : $2.35)

   
Hero: bets $1.75
vocd: raises $4.25 to $6

Shove or fold

call

shove, you have good fold equity i think, and his range is wide - mostly 1 pair, the same draw, and very rarely set.

On January 05 2009 16:18 staxxx wrote: shove, you have good fold equity i think, and his range is wide - mostly 1 pair, the same draw, and very rarely set.

you are obviously not a 25NL player

On January 05 2009 16:11 TalentedTom wrote: call

and then what? what about turn if I miss and he bets again?

On January 05 2009 16:48 EscapingR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2009 16:11 TalentedTom wrote: call and then what? what about turn if I miss and he bets again?

fold?

On January 05 2009 16:02 OpWestAcct wrote: Shove or fold

i need your reasons

On January 05 2009 16:50 Sennpu wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2009 16:48 EscapingR wrote:   On January 05 2009 16:11 TalentedTom wrote: call and then what? what about turn if I miss and he bets again? fold?

you are not helping, don't post if you can't help me.

I need to know why you are doing in what situation and why.

I'd like to hear the reasons as well~
Find myself here pretty frequently as well.

if you miss the turn and only got a Second Nut Flush Draw with maybe 1 over card being good, (+3 outs) the reason why u should fold to a second barrel is pretty obvious lol.

Easy, just valuebet thinly with a K you hit, maybe semi-bluff a J, depends on the villain and bluff about any A and go for c/r or c/c when the flush hits. Sometimes even donkbet the flush, really villain dependant.

Thing is, there are a shitton of cards that, if they don't hit you, help you a shitload in your equity non the less and are great for bluffing. That's why this is almost always a flat, even if he has a set. Any A and T is great for giving extra outs and probably even J's ar egood for giving extra outs and K might be good on itself. I think if you hit the flush it depends if you think he is nitty. The stats seem quite nitty so I think you could c/c with the flush if he's aggro enough and hope he calls any river bet or you can go for a c/r on the river if you got a solid enough read on him. I think that covers most of it, donkbet if you think he'll flat another bet a lot but he is too passive to protect his hand and just automatically gives you credit for a flush (even donkbet isn't that great then but better than letting it get checked through. got to hate playing out of position).

I just do not think it is EV+ to call for another card. Shove if you have FE fold if you don't.

On January 05 2009 17:11 Sennpu wrote: if you miss the turn and only got a Second Nut Flush Draw with maybe 1 over card being good, (+3 outs) the reason why u should fold to a second barrel is pretty obvious lol.

well not to me because im a noob and i would like to learn the game -_-

Call because almost half the deck will end up improving your hand on the turn by giving additional outs and it's always possible he won't fire the turn.

On January 05 2009 16:47 EscapingR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2009 16:18 staxxx wrote: shove, you have good fold equity i think, and his range is wide - mostly 1 pair, the same draw, and very rarely set. you are obviously not a 25NL player

yeah, lol, FE does not exist with 1 pair or a draw

On January 05 2009 22:00 player999 wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2009 16:47 EscapingR wrote:   On January 05 2009 16:18 staxxx wrote: shove, you have good fold equity i think, and his range is wide - mostly 1 pair, the same draw, and very rarely set. you are obviously not a 25NL player yeah, lol, FE does not exist with 1 pair or a draw

lol you are right but i dont talk only about top pair. He can raise his pocket pairs 33-88, 99, also suited connectors, air, and should fold to another reraise. If he has top pair its a flip, if he has the draw he is dominated most of the time. We are scared only of sets and even then we have a lot of outs.

On January 06 2009 05:05 staxxx wrote: Show nested quote + On January 05 2009 22:00 player999 wrote:   On January 05 2009 16:47 EscapingR wrote:   On January 05 2009 16:18 staxxx wrote: shove, you have good fold equity i think, and his range is wide - mostly 1 pair, the same draw, and very rarely set. you are obviously not a 25NL player yeah, lol, FE does not exist with 1 pair or a draw lol you are right but i dont talk only about top pair. He can raise his pocket pairs 33-88, 99, also suited connectors, air, and should fold to another reraise. If he has top pair its a flip, if he has the draw he is dominated most of the time. We are scared only of sets and even then we have a lot of outs.

seriously, people on 25NL are rarely that aggresive

I would do the following things:

- Bet 2$ on the flop
- Call the raise on the flop and see what happens