suited kings, 50plo

Submitted by : asdf2000

PokerStars Game #22801270798: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/12/10 17:49:41 ET
Table Montague 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: getod_wiz ($28 in chips)
Seat 2: foggy71 ($51 in chips)
Seat 3: Plus Gong ($32.40 in chips)
Seat 4: asdf2000 ($109.20 in chips)
Seat 5: DanzaSlap247 ($58.35 in chips)
Seat 6: Ariej18 ($50 in chips)
DanzaSlap247: posts small blind $0.25
Ariej18: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to asdf2000
getod_wiz: calls $0.50
foggy71: calls $0.50
Plus Gong: folds
asdf2000 : raises $2.25 to $2.75
DanzaSlap247: folds
Ariej18: raises $6.75 to $9.50
getod_wiz: folds
foggy71: folds
asdf2000 : calls $6.75

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $20.25)

   
Ariej18: bets $18
asdf2000 : raises $55.25 to $73.25
Ariej18: calls $22.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($32.75) returned to asdf2000

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $101.25)

   

River (Pot : $101.25)

   

Showdown
Ariej18: shows (a flush, Ace high)
asdf2000 : mucks hand
Ariej18 collected $98.25 from pot

Summary
Total pot $101.25 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: getod_wiz folded before Flop
Seat 2: foggy71 folded before Flop
Seat 3: Plus Gong folded before Flop (didnt bet)
Seat 4: asdf2000 (button) mucked
Seat 5: DanzaSlap247 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Ariej18 (big blind) showed and won ($98.25) with a flush, Ace high

nope cooler, only fold option is pre imo, but im not inclined to do that either

figured villain has aces at least 80% of the time here. The rest of the time he has whatever.
well assuming your read..

ex 1-2 fine with you

1-board: 3c4cQd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8hTcKcKh 42.80% 351 0
AdAc5d2s 57.20% 469 0 no flush draw + str8 draw , with AA and this flop i think that you can consider too this kind of range

or


2-board: 3c4cQd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
8hTcKcKh 45.73% 375 0
AdAsQs8d 54.27% 445 0 AAXX no flush draw , no straight draw

even a hand like your KK with straight draw + backdoor flush is even worst.


3-board: 3c4cQd
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KcKh5D6D 27.80% 228 0
8cKsAhAc 72.20% 592 0

i think if you are drawing to the nuts, get it on the flop, but not with second nuts..you push like you have it.
i know that you play higher and that you don t care about this limit ..but if you just flat call his bet, with that turn now
can you still call with boat on board and second nuts?
you might made an excellent laydown

Hmm, i'd assume that his AA range is much wider than just AA+wrap, AA+nfd and AA+TP so those examples don't really help explain much, except taht with this hand he has decent equity vs pretty much every AA combo except the one in question (and those v similar).


Flat calling is awful without read that he barrells air alot, but as the read is 80% AA pre that isn;t the case. Also never forget that he might occasionally fold bad AAxx to the shove [edit: ok the shove is jsut over a minrasie he prob aint folding any AAxx combos ], let alone the times he has nothing at all (from the 20% non AA range)

Don't really understand what example 3 is all about, i mean uve compeltely changed the hand, fwiw i'd fold that hand to the 3bet

in the 2 first examples. just show that the call is fine..and that it s probably why he call..
just put the %. i would have made the same call probably with this range..

i just suggest the flat call , just to realize how ugly is the board now..and how a king high flush in that board is
becoming so vulnerable.so i am against the all in bet on the flop..i just suggest to play low flush with caution, nothing else. and probably save some $ too..

3 example is just a another simulation to show are kk whatever kicker is so poor against this AA..
but my example just show that i am behind 27,80% versus his 6,80%..

it's going in and he does something neither retarded or intelligent. he bets 18. he drags the slider and stops and tweaks it to the number 18. 18. wuttaphag.

it requires almost no discipline to always pot in PLO. pot is indicative of the most basic competence.

better players try to be balanced. of these players, manipulating betsize is an infrequent occurance.

if he flagrantly sucked in some way you probably would have noticed. pussies get noticed almost as quickly with all the LRRs and chkrs.

how do you go from a decision to bet or check to betting 18 while not sucking or being a pussy in a highly noticeable way? you don't. he was betting with no decision, couldn't decide how much, and then bet 18 so that turn play became a non-issue.

a pussy considers checking and does it. a balanced player considers checking and might do it, else he pots. a faggot doesn't even think about checking, wants to pot, tinkers with the slider, and ends up at 18 because he reasons that if he bets 12 and you call he might not get the rest in against red KK. because he's a faggot, he gets lost in his faggot train of thought and never gets back to the original idea of potting.

im lost now

This thread has become a

wow I loled with the whole betsize thing

suited kings lol