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Dora   Korea (South). Dec 03 2008 20:21. Posts 35

What's his possible range here? Should I have checked for pot control? Villain is 17/0 over 24 hands. Thanks.

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PokerStars Game #22599503267: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/12/03 20:15:39 ET
Table 'Enif II' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Schachhur ($43.60 in chips)
Seat 2: thing93001 ($24.90 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($26.15 in chips)
Seat 4: HOCEPUCK ($4.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Ryw1 ($24.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Albarab ($24.75 in chips)
Seat 7: tall_hippie ($14.05 in chips)
Seat 8: Pokertaxi75 ($21.50 in chips)
Seat 9: extrachill ($42.70 in chips)
HOCEPUCK: posts small blind $0.10
Ryw1: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero JdKc
Albarab: calls $0.25
tall_hippie: folds
Pokertaxi75: folds
extrachill: folds
Schachhur: folds
thing93001: folds
Hero : raises $1 to $1.25
HOCEPUCK: folds
Ryw1: folds
Albarab: calls $1

Flop (Pot : $2.85)

   3cKd7s
Albarab: checks
Hero : bets $2
Albarab: raises $4.75 to $6.75

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4Kingell   United Kingdom. Dec 03 2008 20:26. Posts 1453

No - bet is good but UTG limp + CR flop = trouble unless you have a read that he is a complete monkey and as you have only 24 hand I would now fold. wp.

EDIT: If you are asking if you should 3bet his flop raise then I would say no - for above reason

If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu Last edit: 03/12/2008 20:29

Dora   Korea (South). Dec 03 2008 20:32. Posts 35

Thanks. I ended up folding. Is my line standard here then? Button raise, bet flop, fold to c/r?


edzwoo   United States. Dec 03 2008 20:35. Posts 5911

In this case on such a dry board, he's repping a pretty strong hand.

His range is definitely skewed towards sets imo, but regardless, you probably don't have him beat here because if he were limping some sort of K utg, I think the only one you would beat here is probably KT.

Everything else other than a bluff has you crushed.


4Kingell   United Kingdom. Dec 03 2008 20:40. Posts 1453

Not really a standard line from him so hard to say if that line is standard. I would say that fish like to limp big PP from UTG and think they are playing tricky with the C/R when most times they are probably folding out worse hands. Worth getting some better players than me to comment.

Re-reading your question I don't think button raise, bet flop, fold to c/r is standard - it depends a lot on any reads on the villain and cards you have - KJ is easily dominated AK/KQ and will cost you money imo in this type of situation. If you are holding AK Vs a monkey who C/R's you here I am not folding..... Often people will try to C/R semi-bluff with marginal holdings as it is such a strong move e.g. TT/JJ etc but to proceed from here with no reads is not +EV imo. As I said maybe better players need to comment.

If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. Sun Tzu  

rockman255   Canada. Dec 03 2008 21:01. Posts 4471

standard fold, 4k's post is pretty much my thinking, the main sort of hands in villains range (other than the obvious sets that dominate u and maybe AA) that you might have a shot against is qk ak type hands, so if u have ak here u can consider continuing but with no kicker its an auto fold .

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TallyHo   Malaysia. Dec 03 2008 21:05. Posts 384

read dependent. but it's a pretty obv fold in general if you think about his range of hands combined with his betting pattern.

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