AA in gay spot (imo)

Submitted by : Joe

** Hand # 2292635703 starting - 2008-12-01 13:51:10
** Arnoid 2 [Hold 'em] (3.00|6.00 NL - Cash Game) Real Money
Joeik4 sitting in seat 1 with €600.00
sneaKING sitting in seat 2 with €665.25
banditos19 sitting in seat 3 with €1288.25
gretko sitting in seat 4 with €915.99
KalleKanin sitting in seat 5 with €600.00[Dealer]
essess2 sitting in seat 6 with €641.25
essess2 posted the small blind - €3.00
Joeik4 posted the big blind - €6.00

Holecards
   
sneaKING folded
banditos19 raised to €24.00
gretko folded
KalleKanin called - €24.00
essess2 folded
Joeik4 raised to €84.00
banditos19 called - €84.00
KalleKanin called - €84.00

Flop (Pot : $255.00)

   
Joeik4 ?

answers plz
Want to know what do to here also

really depends on what kind of hands they play in re-raised pots, if they call wide its pretty much a bet call unless there is a ton of action from both players.

c/f seems like the best option really

youre only 100bb deep so theres just no way theyre flatting KK/QQ/AK so you are never dominating when you get it in here(well at least the 2nd guy isnt flatting KK/QQ/AK)

when you get it in on the flop you have around 20% equity (You are probably close to 25% vs 2p/set/straight/combo draws, but after combining all the times when 3rd player gets it in and has an absolute monster and youre left with like 6% equity vs them combined im just going to say 20%).

their calling ranges are heavily weighted towards middle pairs and middle connectors.

heres why bet call is bad:
255 in pot, 515 left in stack. say they fold 50% and get it in 50% (optimistic in my opinion). pot is 1285 and you are 20% equity, which means you get back 257, so you lose 258 50% of the time, and win 255 50% of the time, basically breakeven. i think its really optimistic that they both fold 50% of the time, probably much lower than that but i wanted to show you that if its as high as 50% its still borderline.

bet/fold could be ok....but i think we are asking to be semibluffed by a wider range the smaller we bet here, and the larger we bet the more often we need a fold.

I dont mind check/fold here either since that's pretty much one of the worst flops three way.

In the mostly rare case of checking then having them check behind, what's the plan after? Say the 7 or 8 pairs? What about the two of diamonds? A non diamond 5?

if they check through i bet for sure, unless turn is like T/J/6

actually looking it over again I like CR'ing if it goes bet, fold.

if he's the type of player who is sticky and doesn't like folding to 3bets in position imo your ahead a good portion of his range.

if he's just loose preflop and rather tight postflop c/f isn't horrible but meh.

On December 01 2008 12:40 kaboom wrote: actually looking it over again I like CR'ing if it goes bet, fold. if he's the type of player who is sticky and doesn't like folding to 3bets in position imo your ahead a good portion of his range. if he's just loose preflop and rather tight postflop c/f isn't horrible but meh.

agree

check/call and if turn is good card then bet/call

* as long as only one opponent put in a bet on the flop

obviously bet call cuz duh they will put u on AK cuz what kind of crazy man would bet that flop with the AA

i totally hate check/folding this flop lol, unless one bet and the other raise

check raise aint bad i kinda like it, its certainly better than bet/call cause all the hands that are shoving the flop on you are betting and some others might randomly stab or something. dont know if its better than bet/fold or check fold though.

check call also kinda interesting. all in all i think the only line i really dont like is bet call.

On December 01 2008 13:52 Daut wrote: check raise aint bad i kinda like it, its certainly better than bet/call cause all the hands that are shoving the flop on you are betting and some others might randomly stab or something. dont know if its better than bet/fold or check fold though. check call also kinda interesting. all in all i think the only line i really dont like is bet call.

agreed. i think standerdly though id check and either checkfold or CR depending on how the betting goes and how i view who bet ect ect.

Though checkcalling is kinda cool tbh didn't think of that for sure. =0

ALLIN so they can put you on a misclick or AK.

CF? omgwtfbbq