200NL QQ+fdraw interesting spot

Submitted by : st1nk3r

***** Hand History for Game 1292290466 *****
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, November 27, 04:31:16 ET 2008
Table TURBO Monroeville Real Money
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: NumptyDumpty23 $97.50 USD
Seat 3: Allinwith4high $560.95 USD
Seat 5: Hero $308.00 USD
Seat 6: PrayingMantis1980 $370.00 USD
Seat 10: HadeDuTurNuIgen $408.00 USD
Allinwith4high posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
Hero posts big blind [$2.00 USD].

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
PrayingMantis1980 folds
HadeDuTurNuIgen raises [$8.00 USD]
NumptyDumpty23 folds
Allinwith4high folds
Hero calls [$6.00 USD]

Flop (Pot : $17.00)

   
Hero checks
HadeDuTurNuIgen bets [$14.00 USD]
Hero calls [$14.00 USD]

Turn (Pot : $45.00)

   
Hero checks
HadeDuTurNuIgen bets [$34.00 USD]
Hero calls [$34.00 USD]

River (Pot : $113.00)

   
Hero checks
HadeDuTurNuIgen bets [$92.00 USD]
Hero folds
HadeDuTurNuIgen wins $202.00 USD from main pot

Flat pre is fine, of course 3bet would be fine too. But on this flop theres just way too many bad turn cards/action killing turn cards to slowplay, c/r the flop and get it in.

edit: didnt realize this was 150bb deep. I'd still probably c/r the flop but i don't think i'd stack off on the flop. I don't expect to get 3bet on the flop too often though

i dont like calling with QQ oop , playing that hand OOP will get you in too many tough spots if you dont know exactly what you're doing but i guess you can do it occasionally to make your calling range pf a bit stronger

c/c flop seems like horrible line to take ,after that there's no point talking about turn and river ...just c/r flop call a shove

I hate the flat pre, you're OOP so no need to get super fancy with QQ. It's 6 handed and you're facing a raise from the CO - 3BETTTTTTTTTT.

Since you flatted pre though, it's going to put you in some weird spots on a flop like this but you do have options. Do you have any history against this guy? I don't really like to C/C down against people you don't have much info on when your hand is strong but is still difficult to see where you stand when he keeps barreling. That said, I'd call this river bet against most players since I think if he has As then I think he'd barrel this river. I don't know how thin he vbets here but typically you won't see anyone betting worse than an 8 here and your hand is so underrepped.

Not sure how I feel about a C/R because I think it's going to overrep your hand and I don't think you're going to get calls from too many worse hands. Also, it's going to bloat the pot OOP where hitting a spade may not be so great so it's just going to make the situation worse.

I think I like C/C flop, then donkleading a blank turn since most players are going to check back a lot of hands with marginal showdown value like TJ here. Most likely fold to a raise, and if he flats on the turn, then I'd fire on blank turns or C/F on an 8 or 9 and C/C a spade.

This is a nice line to take occasionally against an overaggro opponent with history, but the entire point of it is to snap now.

i was pretty sure he will get it in pf with AK if i 3bet him, and i didnt want to flip deep.

Sounds like you are very scared money, postflop also suggests you are very scared money, river is completley random you dont provide anywhere near enough information to make any descion

You should be getting it in on this flop BTW, this is a preety gin flop for slowplayed QQ

you tarped him now stick the shit in on that flop

if you flat flop (which I consider overly passive), call river as played

From now on, if anyone asks me what weak/tight means I'll link them this hand.

3-bet preflop, raise flop bomb turn

i hate how you played every street. You want to build up a dynamic /w the players in a short handed game so that you can easily stack off QQ pf for value without thinking. And flatting QQ here is not how you do it. Plus you lose tons of value if you flat here and leave yourself to be out played badly...

actually why am i telling you how to play ABC. read a book or something.

as played i'd call river too. i mean he's getting you to fold the top of your range here with a 3 barrel. i think that's terribad imo.

lol against this opponent you should 3-bet all day long preflop. i played a short session with him, and from that, he seemed awfully bad. but he might have been on tilt, but let see some examples:

Submitted by : SpasticInk

GAME #1282314255: Texas Hold'em NL $1/$2 2008-11-21 20:51:48
Table Bulqize (No DP)
Seat 1: Stonesman ($150.00 in chips)
Seat 5: korsarykan ($66.68 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: Oddddjob ($196.00 in chips)
Seat 8: HadeDuTurNuIgen ($200.00 in chips)
Seat 10: ElGranDanton ($39.00 in chips)
Oddddjob : Post SB $1.00
HadeDuTurNuIgen: Post BB $2.00
Stonesman: Post BB $2.00

Holecards
Dealt to Oddddjob
ElGranDanton: Fold
Stonesman: Check
korsarykan: Fold
Oddddjob : Raise (NF) $12.00
HadeDuTurNuIgen: Raise (NF) $38.00
Stonesman: Fold
Oddddjob : Call $26.00

Flop (Pot : $31.00)

   
Oddddjob : Check
HadeDuTurNuIgen: Bet $70.00
Oddddjob : Raise (NF) $158.00
HadeDuTurNuIgen: Call $88.00

Turn (Pot : $189.00)

   

River (Pot : $189.00)

   

Summary
Total pot $391.00 Rake $3.00
HadeDuTurNuIgen: Shows
Oddddjob : wins $391.00

and got sucked out of course.

but from that short session w/ him he seemed really bad

On November 28 2008 08:38 SakiSaki wrote: 3-bet preflop, raise flop bomb turn

this