nl25 FR QQ

Unknown villain
I was really leaning towards flatting and set mining. What do u think?

Submitted by : terrybunny19240

Full Tilt Poker Game #9116961905: Table Tule Springs - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:18:41 ET - 2008/11/22
Seat 1: Hero ($25)
Seat 2: 88all ($24.30)
Seat 3: turushbrids ($8.90)
Seat 4: AK157 ($7)
Seat 5: AK-19 ($17.20)
Seat 6: m77g ($26.25)
Seat 7: Astrofocio ($20.15)
Seat 8: semloh2 ($13.40), is sitting out
Seat 9: misase ($2.55)
turushbrids posts the small blind of $0.10
AK157 has 5 seconds left to act
AK157 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #2

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
AK-19 folds
m77g folds
AK-19 stands up
Astrofocio raises to $0.85
misase folds
Hero raises to $3
88all has 15 seconds left to act
88all raises to $5.15
laidback4msn sits down
turushbrids has 15 seconds left to act
turushbrids folds
AK157 folds
Astrofocio folds
laidback4msn adds $15
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero raises to $25, and is all in
88all calls $19.15, and is all in
Hero shows
88all shows
Uncalled bet of $0.70 returned to Hero

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $49.80)

   

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $49.80)

   

River (Pot : $49.80)

   
Hero shows two pair, Queens and Sixes
88all shows two pair, Aces and Sixes
88all wins the pot ($47.35) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Hero adds $24.30

Summary
Total pot $49.80 | Rake $2.45
Board:  
Seat 1: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Queens and Sixes
Seat 2: 88all (button) showed and won ($47.35) with two pair, Aces and Sixes
Seat 3: turushbrids (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: AK157 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: AK-19 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: m77g didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Astrofocio folded before the Flop
Seat 8: semloh2 is sitting out
Seat 9: misase didn't bet (folded)

Yes... min 4bet at mico full ring from EP is never AK, and is rarely JJ.You're well behind his range.

EDIT: I'm a donk, thought it was a 4bet from the pfr, it was cold. Def fold.

i even dont like your reraise
edit: and i dont like your shove

LOL oops, read that wrong.

Yes, I call his 4bet mainly to set mine here. I will however get it in on a flop that doesn't have a J K or A.

On November 22 2008 20:27 morph1 wrote: i even dont like your reraise edit: and i dont like your shove

I think you need stats or a read not to 3bet this for value... even really tight players open 88+, AJs+, AQo+ from UTG+1

On November 22 2008 20:40 edzwoo wrote: LOL oops, read that wrong. Yes, I call his 4bet mainly to set mine here. I will however get it in on a flop that doesn't have a J K or A.

I think this is wrong too. You can setmine, but you're still behind all the hands you were behind on a low flop, and you no longer get value from AK.

I agree with flatting and setmining, I think his line is almost 100% AA or KK, unless you have some read on him that he's very loose. Oh, and if he does have AK somehow then he's probably just gonna fold that to your shove anyway, I don't think you can get a lot of value from that hand PF by shoving.

On November 22 2008 20:46 Sicks Macks wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2008 20:40 edzwoo wrote: LOL oops, read that wrong. Yes, I call his 4bet mainly to set mine here. I will however get it in on a flop that doesn't have a J K or A. I think this is wrong too. You can setmine, but you're still behind all the hands you were behind on a low flop, and you no longer get value from AK.

You're ahead of JJ and sometimes lots of random junk. I agree that the min4bet means AA or KK the majority of the time, but I'd say 20% of the time I've been 4bet by totally random junk like ATo and like 46s.

Thanks dewds

im just gonna reaffirm most everything that was said here, i either fold to the 4bet or call and fold if i miss a queen, for the rare times i get it in on a "safe" flop (lets say 9 high or something) that i do hold, its not worth it, so i fold postflop without my set.

its more profitable to 3bet 27o and flat with Qs at these levels then the other way around.

o_O

you cant call 4bet, youre in the bottom of 3bet calling range unless ur opponent randomly spazzes from time to time, youre basically 3betting as a bluff.

Hum...... I will think about this

dude like a cold 4bet from this guy not involved in pot in full ring is KK/AA 98.333333333333% of the time and JJ 1.6666666666666666% of the time and QQ 0.00000000000000001% of the time. catch my drift? :O

maybe its AK a lot more of the time but you seriously need notes to consider that. all things considered i'd be even more comfortable holding AK and shoving here than holding QQ and shoving here, though. you know, the old argument about how AK reduces opponents holding AA/KK by 50%.

i mean AK shouldnt even be a consideration here because we still only flip against AK. isn't our goal to make +ev plays and not neutral ev plays anyway? his range cruuuuuuuushes you.

even when you hold ak here. i still snap slamdunk fold. cold 4bet FR = death unless u have nuts. :O

Yeah I knew it as I played the hand, dunno maybe FTP was fuckin with my brain. I'll definitely be folding or setmining next time.