NL25 I have no idea what line to take

WAT

Submitted by : Sicks Macks

Full Tilt Poker Game #9114670388: Table Bazmorda (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:48:48 ET - 2008/11/22
Seat 1: Wes_Vincent ($8.75)
Seat 2: Abarmen12 ($5.20)
Seat 3: chipmongaler ($14.35)
Seat 4: silvercoin007 ($37.25)
Seat 5: Alvin512 ($27.50)
Seat 6: Hero ($27.35)
Abarmen12 posts the small blind of $0.10
chipmongaler posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
silvercoin007 raises to $0.75
Alvin512 calls $0.75
Hero calls $0.75
Wes_Vincent folds
Abarmen12 calls $0.65
chipmongaler calls $0.50

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   
Abarmen12 checks
chipmongaler has 15 seconds left to act
chipmongaler checks
silvercoin007 has 15 seconds left to act
silvercoin007 bets $2
Alvin512 calls $2

WAT

Just sat down, no reads, though as usual I assume everyone not sitting full is a huge fish. Seriously though... what do I do?

Pot flop and turn, fold to 4bet.

5 way pot makes this tricky.. i dont like trying to get allin here cause you def dont have the nuts, and have no redraws

i would just flat call and try to see a safe turn, and if anyone else c/r's big u can fold

definitely one of those slightly ahead/way behind situations

On November 22 2008 18:50 qu4nTum-fLuX wrote: i would just flat call and try to see a safe turn, and if anyone else c/r's big u can fold

There are like 0.0037 safe turns in the deck

I'm basically (even more) scared of putting any significant amount of money in if the turn is any 9, T, J, Q, K, A or Spade. The sick thing is, if I stay in (and even now), I'm getting ridunculous pot odds.

I'd say call and bomb a blank turn if you get no action.

Since you have position, it helps that you can see what the others are going to do on the turn. If something like bet --> raise happens on a blank, you can probably fold and feel good about it.

Oh and if turn goes check check, pot the turn. If you get a caller, and he checks the river, minbet to induce a bluff a la Myth.

If I call and it calls behind me, how can I ever not get it in on a non spade? This pot will be massive relative to stax.

I should mention that I assume that everyone behind me (at least) would probably squeeze AK given their less than full stax.

I mean I think my grandma squeezes pre with AK here. So its very possible we have the best made hand, for now.

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On November 22 2008 20:20 Sicks Macks wrote: If I call and it calls behind me, how can I ever not get it in on a non spade? This pot will be massive relative to stax.

Because getting it in on the flop is too marginal vs most hands anyway, and since it's a limped pot, it could be very likely one of them already has a flush. When you shove, you do not crush any hand that will call. Therefore I like calling on the flop and getting it in on a safe turn. I think this is comparable to some Omaha situations.

It's not a limped pot, the early guys are not playing just any SOOTEDs, the blinds may have wider pf ranges, but they have smaller stacks.

Oh shnap you're right XD! No respect for the raiser I guess.

Regardless though, I'm still not ready to put my whole stack on that flop since I could easily be drawing dead. Sure you do give a spade a free card to draw, but if they have an As or Ks, you can still get value from them on the turn. I know you have a straight, but with this many people in the pot, I just don't know if I like getting it in on the flop with a large possibility of drawing dead.

Getting it in on this flop 5way is suicide spew regardless of the outcome. Pretty fucked up spot really...I definatelly think you need to give up to any resistance anywhere in the hand, depending on stack size of villain getting in on safe turns is best. You basically turn your hand into a bluff by raising, you are at best flipping or crushed.

Nobody finds a fold on the flop? I'm not sure I do, but it still seems better than calling to me. This hand hurts my brain.