Do i shove here?

Submitted by : EscapingR

PokerStars Game #22250003944: Tournament #122083961, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (600/1200) - 2008/11/21 21:59:40 ET
Table '122083961 4' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: 234hh53h53 (8920 in chips)
Seat 2: dcgear (26879 in chips)
Seat 3: jmore77 (8725 in chips)
Seat 6: vastud (12780 in chips)
Seat 7: Whytefly (9765 in chips)
Seat 8: coco1964 (24815 in chips)
Seat 9: fejiordo (3771 in chips)
234hh53h53 : posts the ante 125
dcgear: posts the ante 125
jmore77: posts the ante 125
vastud: posts the ante 125
Whytefly: posts the ante 125
coco1964: posts the ante 125
fejiordo: posts the ante 125
234hh53h53 : posts small blind 600
dcgear: posts big blind 1200

Holecards
Dealt to 234hh53h53
jmore77: raises 2400 to 3600
vastud: folds
Whytefly: folds
coco1964: folds
fejiordo: folds
234hh53h53 : folds
dcgear: folds
Uncalled bet (2400) returned to jmore77
jmore77 collected 3875 from pot

Summary
Total pot 3875 | Rake 0
Seat 1: 234hh53h53 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: dcgear (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: jmore77 collected (3875)
Seat 6: vastud folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Whytefly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: coco1964 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: fejiordo (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

absolutely

ok ty

Sure :-P

meaning?

i say no. your m is effectively 5, the utg raise is strong and you're not sure you beat his range. his raise is committing him effectively asking for people to call him... better fold and shove any 2 the next hand if folded/limped to.

utg range should be 22+/at+/qj?/kq/jt?. maybe even a2+.

easy shove. you are at least 40% vs his range with the dead money in the middle its a easy shove.

thats an answer i can use

thanks

yes u shove here all day

gogogo ez push

On November 22 2008 16:12 lostaccount wrote: utg range should be 22+/at+/qj?/kq/jt?. maybe even a2+. easy shove. you are at least 40% vs his range with the dead money in the middle its a easy shove.

Is your UTG range like this?

I dont think it is a shove rofl.If the opponent is loose passive then you can shove but still bad idea since utg range is AJ+ and 99+ pairs.

In late tournament phase yes it is a shove.Not now !

eh I dunno I think it's closer than everyone thinks, the reason being that he raised 3x utg instead of open shoving. However, it's a 2.2 dollar tournament so who knows maybe he's an idiot, and b/c blinds are so big and it's a turbo i'd go with this. In a higher BI tournament though, or against a player i'd noticed was shoving almost 100% with these stack sizes, then he all of a sudden opens, that is almost always a big hand.

mindblast this is pretty late in the tournament, its 180 man. considering theres 7 people on the table and blinds are 600-1200 it prolly means theres like 21ish people left, could be 14-15 if the other table has accumulated way more chips but thats unlikely

heres the thing, it is a 2 dollar.. these people hardly adjust their opening ranges based on position and they hardly adjust their betting sizes. ive seriously seen a lot of people have like, 12k stack on 800/1600, raise to 4800 preflop and fold against a shove. you have to go with this. especially because the prize structure is very top heavy, youve already put in sb and theres ante and bb in there as dead money..

its pretty much impossible to get the kind of read on someone necessary to fold this in a $2 180 man turbo. ;(

On November 24 2008 05:33 BigRed0000 wrote: eh I dunno I think it's closer than everyone thinks, the reason being that he raised 3x utg instead of open shoving. However, it's a 2.2 dollar tournament so who knows maybe he's an idiot, and b/c blinds are so big and it's a turbo i'd go with this. In a higher BI tournament though, or against a player i'd noticed was shoving almost 100% with these stack sizes, then he all of a sudden opens, that is almost always a big hand.

thats why i asked lol