Theyyyyyyyyy're GREAT!

Guns are great for many obvious reasons...
Self Defense
Create a Militia
Hunting
etc.

I literally cannot think of how a gun can be bad, other than in the wrong hands, obv. Someone plz explain.

Thanks
Your fav troll,
84o

PS i will explain why i posted this later, it really has a purpose. swear.

plz don't call me an idiot, a troll, stupid, etc. This really does have a purpose. Please in a sophisticated piece of literature, explain why guns are bad.

I think they're good.

I love this guy

guns are necessary obv. Though if you really wanted to generate meaningful discussion it would be best to start by writing an article of your own then provide rebuttals. Otherwise this just makes you look like a stupid idiot troll so gtfo troll

On November 13 2008 00:55 vegable wrote: I love this guy guns are necessary obv. Though if you really wanted to generate meaningful discussion it would be best to start by writing an article of your own then provide rebuttals. Otherwise this just makes you look like a stupid idiot troll so gtfo troll

the whole reason i wrote this is b/c everyone hates guns on this site and i get so much shit for it. I am writing a paper for my ethics class, i need it to be 4 pages, but i only have like 2 1/2, and i need some arguments so i can berate anything anyone says. I thought about it today, and i literally think i can disprove anyone who thinks guns are bad. I might agree with you're argument, but overall, the good outweighs the bad.

I thought it was funny if the left-winged people took guns away, then it would probably cause a war, and it would be a bunch of people protesting VS the NRA hahahahahhaah PWND.


just thought of something else.. they take guns away, it starts a war, they don't like war, so they protest the war and give us guns back???
makes sense???
vicious cycle??
opinions??

War brings peace(Yes the Irony), but when guns are involved, it makes war quicker.

Imo, guns suck. Imaging going to war with a fucking sword and shield, liek its diablo 2. would be mad crazy, wearing breast plate, leg armor, stuff like that. Only hand to hand combat.

I would love to just slice someones head off in this type of war, movie 300 sums its all up.

On November 13 2008 01:07 Subaru wrote: War brings peace(Yes the Irony), but when guns are involved, it makes war quicker. Imo, guns suck. Imaging going to war with a fucking sword and shield, liek its diablo 2. would be mad crazy, wearing breast plate, leg armor, stuff like that. Only hand to hand combat. I would love to just slice someones head off in this type of war, movie 300 sums its all up.

fuck that, what if he's strong and it goes thru ur breast plate but that receives most of the blow and now you are alive with half a sword in your stomach but its not enough to kill you?? And you can't remove the sword b/c then you bleed to death.
When one .30-06 will do the job.

best of both, ff8 gunblade

rofl at create a militia.
Tell me how creating a militia would have any effect whatsoever against the modernized weaponry of today.

Yeah, me and my 20 closest buds are going to go invade Washington. Lets do this. We'll hide in trees and blindside them like Mel Gibson in The Patriot!

On November 13 2008 01:27 sniderstyle wrote: rofl at create a militia. Tell me how creating a militia would have any effect whatsoever against the modernized weaponry of today. Yeah, me and my 20 closest buds are going to go invade Washington. Lets do this. We'll hide in trees and blindside them like Mel Gibson in The Patriot!

That's the problem right now anyway, we don't have access to fully auto weapons so resistance is futile.

Fortunately, I believe there would be a military insurrection before the army would mass kill civilians...here's hoping anyway.

Luckily, Washington is full of gangs with fully auto weapons.

On November 13 2008 01:27 sniderstyle wrote: rofl at create a militia. Tell me how creating a militia would have any effect whatsoever against the modernized weaponry of today. Yeah, me and my 20 closest buds are going to go invade Washington. Lets do this. We'll hide in trees and blindside them like Mel Gibson in The Patriot!

Well thats the problem right there. Because of "Gun laws", we cannot fight the United States Military if we had to. When i say "if we had to" i literally mean if we had to. I'm not saying "woo hoo go rebel" or anything like that, what i am saying is if the US Government ever became so corrupt and we elected someone who turned around and was power hungry and was like Hitler or something, and it was obvious to everyone, it is up to the United States citizens to act. Thats the whole reason we have the 2nd amendment, as you will see in my paper...

The actually reason which just about no one realizes is that the Second Amendment is not for hunting or self defense. The Second Amendment is not for the protection of its nation’s citizens from one another. When created, it was at a time where you had to hunt for food. There was no other way of eating. If you did not hunt, you did not eat, and you died. Everyone had a gun for survival, to hunt for food. The people in charge of creating the Bill of Rights did not have the slightest idea that microwaves and restaurants and groceries would exist and hunting for survival would be basically non-existent. The reason the Second Amendment exists is based solely on the fact that they were fighting a revolutionary war, they abandoned their homeland, rebelled against the King of England and deserted a corrupt government, and they understood that it was very possible it could happen again. They knew that in the future the American Government that they were in the process of creating could become just as corrupt as the last government they just rebelled against, and to prevent this from happening they gave the people the power to revolt, if need be. This is why all guns should be available to the American citizens, including automatic weaponry. Hitler, Castro, and Stalin’s first act after receiving power of dictatorship took guns away from their citizens to prevent a revolt. It’s a proven fact that whoever has the firearm has complete control over the other party. If something were to happen, and someone were to take control of the presidency and change laws into another form and take too much power, the first thing they would do, like Hitler, is take guns away from its people so that he controls everything. We cannot let this happen. "The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson)

QFT


Hence the whole "civil war" that we had. Yes, the south who rebelled lost, but many accomplishments were made that would not have been if it weren't for the war. For example, we ended slavery and expressed our disappointments to the North, which we then fixed, and after reconstruction had a better, stronger, more closely knit US than ever before.

On November 13 2008 00:41 eightfourO wrote: Guns are great for many obvious reasons... Self Defense Create a Militia Hunting etc. I literally cannot think of how a gun can be bad, other than in the wrong hands, obv. Someone plz explain. Thanks Your fav troll, 84o PS i will explain why i posted this later, it really has a purpose. swear.

Your hands are the wrong hands. Ill gladly entrust a gun to lets say Nazgul or frozenarbiter, but you can see the difference in theirs and yours attitude dont you?

I love guns too, but im fully okay with looking at them in the museums, okay with people having them in private collections after proper licensing, okay with shooting them at the ranges(in civilized countries ranges rent out guns). Having a gun under your pillow however is sociopathic.

fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

This post is so tilting, if you want a debate plz say more than basically GUNS ARE GOOD.
If I'd want to counter-attack your arguments I'd have to start with explaining that the cow goes moo-moo.

On November 13 2008 01:27 sniderstyle wrote: rofl at create a militia. Tell me how creating a militia would have any effect whatsoever against the modernized weaponry of today. Yeah, me and my 20 closest buds are going to go invade Washington. Lets do this. We'll hide in trees and blindside them like Mel Gibson in The Patriot!

To answer your question more precisely, a militia (according to the 2nd amendment) SHOULD have the same weaponry as the US Army. However, b/c of gun laws (in some cases are very good) a militia cannot be created with the same weapons as they're opponet, thusly the power is in the US Governments hands, not the People. Benjamin Franklin - "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the outcome of the vote."


Also, we did exactly what you just said about mel gibson in the Revolutionary War, which by the way gave you your freedom so it is possible.

On November 13 2008 01:39 barbieman wrote: fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. This post is so tilting, if you want a debate plz say more than basically GUNS ARE GOOD. If I'd want to counter-attack your arguments I'd have to start with explaining that the cow goes moo-moo.

lol u are new to this site. 135 posts. you don't know...

Fine. Here is my paper thus far.......

Normative Ethics Gun Control versus The Second Amendment The most prevalent, important issue that effects everyone within the nation. Both sides of the debate and even the people in the middle all have very valid causes on why their side is right. You have the far right-winged proponents saying everything should be legal, if you want a fully automatic assault rifle, it’s your right to be able make that purchase and use it for your needs, whatever they be. The government should trust its citizens. Then you have the far left-winged debaters arguing for a complete ban on all guns in every aspect except for the military. Hunting to them is murder and not needed, all guns are for is killing people, and nothing good can come from them. There are also people closer to the middle who tend to lean either left or right. The moderate-left respect the right to own a firearm, but believe that safety needs to be the highest priority, even if it includes sacrificing accuracy (which is actually less ethical, thus defeating the purpose of the left-winged agenda of trying to achieve better ethical views of the right side). The moderate-right however, tend to understand that there is only one purpose for fifty-caliber sniper rifles and fully automatic firearms. All viewpoints have extremely valid reasons for why they stand by their decisions. Each stance on the issue is understandable and correct – to an extent. That extent is where basic logic and ethical thinking become a factor, which is why the Second Amendment and its supporters are the most correct in their thinking. The actually reason which just about no one realizes is that the Second Amendment is not for hunting or self defense. The Second Amendment is not for the protection of its nation’s citizens from one another. When created, it was at a time where you had to hunt for food. There was no other way of eating. If you did not hunt, you did not eat, and you died. Everyone had a gun for survival, to hunt for food. The people in charge of creating the Bill of Rights did not have the slightest idea that microwaves and restaurants and groceries would exist and hunting for survival would be basically non-existent. The reason the Second Amendment exists is based solely on the fact that they were fighting a revolutionary war, they abandoned their homeland, rebelled against the King of England and deserted a corrupt government, and they understood that it was very possible it could happen again. They knew that in the future the American Government that they were in the process of creating could become just as corrupt as the last government they just rebelled against, and to prevent this from happening they gave the people the power to revolt, if need be. This is why all guns should be available to the American citizens, including automatic weaponry. Hitler, Castro, and Stalin’s first act after receiving power of dictatorship took guns away from their citizens to prevent a revolt. It’s a proven fact that whoever has the firearm has complete control over the other party. If something were to happen, and someone were to take control of the presidency and change laws into another form and take too much power, the first thing they would do, like Hitler, is take guns away from its people so that he controls everything. We cannot let this happen. "The tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants" (Thomas Jefferson) Another reasonable anti-gun idea used by the left side is that they believe guns will increase crime. This is very untrue. “When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.” (MilSurpStuff). This has been proven before. According to www.mcsm.org/kennesaw.html, a town in Georgia has actually made mandatory to own at least one gun, unless they got permission from the city to not carry. During a sixteen year span from 1980 to 1996, the towns population has nearly tripled from 5,000 to more than 13,000 residents, yet there have only been three murders in that time span; two by knife, and only one by gun. No one has heard of this ordinance, and Chuck Baldwin believes this is why: “With all the attention that has been heaped upon the lawful possession of firearms lately, you would think that a city that requires gun ownership would be the center of a media feeding frenzy. It isn't. The fact is I can't remember a major media outlet even mentioning Kennesaw. Can you? The reason is obvious. Kennesaw proves that the presence of firearms actually improves safety and security. This is not the message that the media want us to hear. They want us to believe that guns are evil and are the cause of violence. The facts tell a different story.” The fact of the matter is that only people who obey the law are the ones that will not carry, if a law that prevents guns from bring carried is passed. Criminals will always be able to get weapons, and when the difference between life and death is seconds, police can take minutes. As self defense, firearms are the most logical choice for obvious reasons.

Town in georgia = GENIUS PLZZZZ GO READ THAT.

On November 13 2008 01:39 barbieman wrote: fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity. This post is so tilting, if you want a debate plz say more than basically GUNS ARE GOOD. If I'd want to counter-attack your arguments I'd have to start with explaining that the cow goes moo-moo.

Noooo fighting for peace is like fucking to feel good b/c u just got laid 5 minutes afterwards...

The whole point of advancing technological weaponry is to create a large disparity between the killing effectiveness of 'us' and 'them'. So whether it be guns, daggers or rocks it doesn't matter. The purpose(s) for owning a gun or any weapon will vary but ultimately what matters is the individual's motives. The reasons you listed above:

self defence
hunting

are perfectly valid and obviously practical. But you will have to elaborate on the militia part. If your instructor just asked you guys to write a 4 page paper on "is gunz guud???" then thats hardly worthy of an ethics paper assignment, much less a 5th grade journal entry. Paper should be easier than NL2 yo

you can beat NL2 without help can't you?

On November 13 2008 01:35 SfydjkLm wrote: Show nested quote + On November 13 2008 00:41 eightfourO wrote: Guns are great for many obvious reasons... Self Defense Create a Militia Hunting etc. I literally cannot think of how a gun can be bad, other than in the wrong hands, obv. Someone plz explain. Thanks Your fav troll, 84o PS i will explain why i posted this later, it really has a purpose. swear. Your hands are the wrong hands. Ill gladly entrust a gun to lets say Nazgul or frozenarbiter, but you can see the difference in theirs and yours attitude dont you? I love guns too, but im fully okay with looking at them in the museums, okay with people having them in private collections after proper licensing, okay with shooting them at the ranges(in civilized countries ranges rent out guns). Having a gun under your pillow however is sociopathic.

Well first off, i wouldn't let anyone i didn't know in person touch a gun around me. Who knows what is behind a computer.
Secondly, i am a licensed hunter, with a license in Hunters Education, making a 91 and 84 on both tests you have to take to pass.
Third off, i don't have a gun under my pillow, it's in the closet, unloaded, with ammo hidden in another room. And it's in a case.

ok my post is a little late but if your theme is gun control vs second amendment then i'm out ( don't know shit about politics)

but remember kids, morality =/= legality!