NL600 lol limped pots

Submitted by : JonnyCosMo

PokerStars Game #21713195504: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/11/02 20:40:36 ET
Table 'Jubilatrix V' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: bobbymac888 ($900.70 in chips)
Seat 2: mayhem920 ($593.40 in chips)
Seat 3: dudebrochill ($778.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Mega Perfect ($600 in chips)
Seat 5: Az0r ($600 in chips)
Seat 6: JonnyCosMo ($600 in chips)
Az0r: posts small blind $3
JonnyCosMo : posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to JonnyCosMo
bobbymac888: folds
mayhem920: folds
dudebrochill: folds
Mega Perfect: calls $6
Az0r: calls $3
JonnyCosMo : checks

Flop (Pot : $18.00)

   
Az0r: bets $12
JonnyCosMo : raises $36 to $48
Mega Perfect: folds
Az0r: raises $108 to $156

cmon r u srs?

On November 02 2008 19:54 SneakrFreakr wrote: cmon r u srs?

Kind of...

call get it in on a safe turn

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142,560 games 0.003 secs 47,520,000 games/sec

Board: 8h 7d 6h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.886% 47.61% 02.28% 67872 3246.00 { 95o }
Hand 1: 50.114% 47.84% 02.28% 68196 3246.00 { 88-66, T9s }

oops left out T9o

ur at like 30% vs the range that includes T9o..

i guess the question is does he play top2 super fast or something..

that range is waay too tight wobbly

45 maybe

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Take your coolers like a man

i assume the question is whether to shove flop or get it in on turn. folding is not an option.

id jam now, i want 45 to call and not worry about the turn coming bad and scaring some of his range off. i think he calls with set, 45, t9 and some combo draws now, so lets just get it in

think of it from az0r's shoes, what hands do you 3b and get in here? i doubt its draws unless its like 9xhh, I wouldn't be surprised if az0r is flatting sets or ur able to discount them from his range since he raises pf.. i'm pretty sure this is a pretty terrible spot, i probably dont fold but it might be correct honestly. i think u get shown T9 here like 50+% of the time

On November 02 2008 21:47 MezmerizePLZ wrote: think of it from az0r's shoes, what hands do you 3b and get in here? i doubt its draws unless its like 9xhh, I wouldn't be surprised if az0r is flatting sets or ur able to discount them from his range since he raises pf.. i'm pretty sure this is a pretty terrible spot, i probably dont fold but it might be correct honestly. i think u get shown T9 here like 50+% of the time

twas what I was thinking

since when did u start loving the fold button cosmo

On November 02 2008 23:06 Raidan wrote: since when did u start loving the fold button cosmo

meh just get it in on flop turn might kill the action for the times your ahead.

i would raise less on the flop too

I just ship it in on the flop. Don't want a heart to come off, don't want the board to pair, don't want a 4card straight on the board. In the eyes villain if we are willing to put in 1/4 stack on the flop he should realise we aren't going anywhere.

Sure he has 9T sometimes but he's also shipping in a ton of combo draws like 97hh, maybe even 98o if he's crazy. I'm sure he's not folding 45, sets etc.

I hate calling here and getting it in on a safe turn with a lock hand on a drawy board.

i think 5-9 offsuit is a hand that can be considered as a "trouble hand". if you hit a pair, 2 pairs, or even a straight, you cannot even be sure you have the best hand! i would fold this hand before the flop.

On November 03 2008 07:08 n0rthf4ce wrote: i think 5-9 offsuit is a hand that can be considered as a "trouble hand". if you hit a pair, 2 pairs, or even a straight, you cannot even be sure you have the best hand! i would fold this hand before the flop.

JC is the BB, brah.

On November 03 2008 07:12 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2008 07:08 n0rthf4ce wrote: i think 5-9 offsuit is a hand that can be considered as a "trouble hand". if you hit a pair, 2 pairs, or even a straight, you cannot even be sure you have the best hand! i would fold this hand before the flop. JC is the BB, brah.

you can fold BB , you know

On November 02 2008 23:06 Raidan wrote: since when did u start loving the fold button cosmo

For serious. A fold here is pretty outrageous given that there are at least a couple other hands just as likely as 10/9 that you could be shown. I mean I know it's no 10/4 off suit on an A high board against an old nit, but seriously.

you'd be surprised on how many retarded things people show up here with. like some random 2 pairs n shit.

let's gogo plus we have the 2nd nuts. ONLY ONE HAND BEATS US LOL!

Seriously I think he never shows up with a set (he raises 66-88 preflop here esp vs the button fish) and never plays any 2 pair this strong, so I think it's like 54 95 T9 or some super 9Xhh combo draw.

very easy shove flop imo, many cards fuck us and/or kill our action to just flat.

Plus dont u think its likely if he raises 66-88 that he also raises T9s or T9o? I know i would cuz its a good 1 pair hand as well as a drawy one

u all have never played vs az0r, he is a tight reg, not bluffy

doesn't ever get allin light

Well nit or not 45 is as likely as 9t imo I'm not good enough to ever fold this hand

On November 03 2008 07:12 TheHuHu3 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2008 07:08 n0rthf4ce wrote: i think 5-9 offsuit is a hand that can be considered as a "trouble hand". if you hit a pair, 2 pairs, or even a straight, you cannot even be sure you have the best hand! i would fold this hand before the flop. JC is the BB, brah.

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On November 03 2008 11:57 JonnyCosMo wrote: Seriously I think he never shows up with a set (he raises 66-88 preflop here esp vs the button fish) and never plays any 2 pair this strong, so I think it's like 54 95 T9 or some super 9Xhh combo draw.

so... against that range shouldnt we still be getting it in on the flop ?

flat call and wait for turn to pair, then turn your hand into a bluff. zing!

bet/call lead/punt dont/fold

lol, but seriously i think clay and cosmo make a good point here but arent saying it clearly enough. I highly think folding here means you have a strong read on the opponent and how he played all made hands on this board. That being said, in conjunction with clay's analysis on how Az0r plays a fold sounds annoying but optimal

folding here is horrendous
he has T9 just as often as 45 (thus cancelling each other out) and has other hands in his range (every single one of which you are ahead of) and there is dead money
this is 100% a +EV shove no matter what and the only question is whether flat call -> get it in safe turn or shove now is best.

4/5...and I'm not sure how you could totally rule out other hands like 6's or 7's. SB is not always raising 6's in SB PF even if the button is a fish. Who goes out of his way to play 6's oop possibly against two players? How you can 'completely' rule out 6's or 7's even if you may think it's not as likely is beyond me. Double draw? Pair and a draw? Everything that 5/9 is ahead of. Granted even though it may scream 9/T sometimes, I don't see how you can really justify a fold given even the tightest range (you mentioned it up top). Your one raise to his donk lead could mean so many things to him so it's difficult to put his range on one single hand. Seriously wtf. I'm so confused.

On November 04 2008 03:16 Daut wrote: folding here is horrendous even vs the tightest of ranges.

fixed your post.

On November 04 2008 03:16 Daut wrote: folding here is folding life.

me too.

shove and punch the screen when 45 of hearts hits the flush

OR

shove and give his 95hh a freeroll