NL50 KK in 3bet pot facing turn all in

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You're behind on the turn like a shitton of the time, but the question is do you have so much committed that a call is warranted?

your 3bet needs to be bigger as you are oop to the flop. make it 7

wow that's one of the most action killing turns possible for your hand. if you decide to bet it, you're bet/calling - that's for sure.. but if you don't have much history with the villain, check/folding the turn is probably way more reasonable

check/folding?

that line is so weak that evryone will bluff the turn If I check the third heart after I reeraise pre flop and cbet flop

well, checking the turn doesn't show too much weakness on this particular turn and there are also few hands a basically unknown opponent will turn into a bluff here which he calls the flop with besides some overpairs maybe (but those will prly fold to a turn bet *and it's highly probable that he's shoving overpairs on this flop). note you would probably check flushes / 6 / JT here sometimes as well. and once you get really crazy history (maybe) you can do something like betting rly small to induce a bluffshove or check/raise - but imo c/f is prly best for now

you have the reason... probably a flush would have raised that flop...

so in turn he can't bluff if i check... or he shoudln't

You got served bro. I see those kind of hands here, "like" every day, where ppl 3bet smallish OOP AA/KK all the time and the OMG HE HAD A SET LOLOL or w/e... MIN RAISE next time and get it in on mono 56789 board etc, cuz you have history with him or? ,anyway he'll keep teh monies . Sorry, just sleepy, you get my thought?

Bet/fold the turn. It's not being weak, it's avoiding the obvious the 7h completes everything and his range hits that board like a Mack Truck, if you suspect a move you can check/call and reeval on river (Line that i would pick if we had the Kh). But you don't have the Kh wich makes me tend to bet/fold the turn.

by bet/folding don't we just spew money into hands that beat us now which is obv most of his range? also you don't know him and he might shove tens into us for example...

i prefer bet/folding cause you don't really learn anything by check/folding, since they can easily float you with anything in position
and by bet/folding he'll let you know on the turn whether your hand is good or not

You need to make your 3bet a lot bigger preflop so you can get the suited connecting type hands that nail this board out of his range a much larger portion of the time to make this hand more profitable to play OOP postflop, imo. Either that or he makes an error by calling. Your betting so small allowed him to see the flop with a huge range that can represent a lot of hands on boards like this.

As played I would probably just check up front on this turn because it just nailed everything and I would expect to get raised a ton if I bet, and if I don't have much of a read on the player that he would fire back with air or something here then I'd have to end up folding to a raise. Also, I think a another barrel might end up folding out a lot of the hands we are beating except for PPs with a heart or something, which wouldn't make up much of his range here at all. It's player dependent though imo and it would help if you had some kind of idea about how he played these kinds of spots, but against a random I'd probably just check the turn.

I like what TallyHo said above.

On October 15 2008 16:50 gravessen wrote: check/folding? that line is so weak that evryone will bluff the turn If I check the third heart after I reeraise pre flop and cbet flop

that's just not true at all. nobody is going to notice. if you actually think your opponents at nl50 are observant, smart, and fearless enough to start floating you and shoving turn scare cards after you check.fold this then you are delusional. when you cehck/fold here, it's not like they see that you check/folded kings. they just assume you had AJ or some other garbage and you had nothing so you gave up.

seriously like, i cannot even begin to explain how incredibly inaccurate your thinking is here. it's just completely not true to any degree and you don't even have to worry about it at nl1k, or, in fact, ever. have to stress this point because, if you don't get a grasp of it soon, you're gonna spend a LOOOONG time struggling to move up

as for the hand, 3bet larger pre, bet flop, check/fold this turn