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[100nl] Standard shove w/ pair+fd... or is it?

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Muhweli   Finland. Oct 12 2008 17:29. Posts 10663

Okay so as a part of my Thailand rehabilitation, I've moved down to 100nl and I had this standard or not so standard hand today and I'm wondering what the consensus is on how to play it.

Villain is 22/17/6 over 115 hands and is very aggressive on the flop.

History. I'd pretty standardly 3-bet this flop, but we had some history. 3-betting the flop heavily relies on fold equity, as I'm likely to be flipping or worse when called, however - just a few hands back (like an orbit), we played a pot with a fish in the pot where I shoved A4s with a flushdraw to his kings after fish contributed in almost 50 BB (and then folded) and sucked out.

This being said, I think my fold equity goes down significantly and it is conceivable that my two pair/trip outs aren't necessarily good here. I only crush JT(s) and might not be able to push him off of lots of hands. In addition, he can read my open as an "oop isolation" to the fish who is sitting on my right side, so he could've been calling me off lighter too.

Maybe I just overthought this over. Him potentially being frustrated should be a "+" for shoving instead of a "-" I guess, but I thought I have close to 0 FE -> me shoving = neutral EV and thought playing for implied odds with ~12 outs to turn would be better, getting 3-to-1 or so.

Submitted by : Muhweli

GAME #1212792698: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1 2008-10-12 23:18:43
Table Taranto (No DP)
Seat 3: Wishboner ($331.77 in chips)
Seat 6: Hoooligan69 ($99.50 in chips) DEALER
Seat 8: Henkelinho ($211.30 in chips)
Seat 10: countrynutz ($100.00 in chips)
Henkelinho: Post SB $0.50
countrynutz: Post BB $1.00

Holecards
Dealt to Wishboner 8hAh
Wishboner : Raise (NF) $3.50
Hoooligan69: Call $3.50
Henkelinho: Fold
countrynutz: Fold

Flop (Pot : $5.00)

   QhAs9h
Wishboner : Bet $6.00
Hoooligan69: Raise (NF) $18.00
Wishboner : Call $12.00

Turn (Pot : $23.00)

   QhAs9hTd
Wishboner : Check
Hoooligan69: Bet $32.00
Wishboner : Fold

Summary
Total pot $74.50 Rake $2.00
Hoooligan69: wins $74.50

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TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 12 2008 18:00. Posts 20070

;0 wow i never fold here

ever

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TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 12 2008 18:02. Posts 20070

you dont need fold equity to make getting it in on the flop super +EV, theres very few hands he can have here which have you raped, maybe A9, 99, Q9s thats about it, there's a ton of worse hands/draws he can have

calling the entire way is reasonable (playing the hand WA or slighly behind), getting it in on flop is reasonable, shoving turn is reasonable too

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TalentedTom    Canada. Oct 12 2008 18:04. Posts 20070

you also dont need to be shoving flop you can make it something like $35-36 to go

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Muhweli   Finland. Oct 12 2008 18:30. Posts 10663

Yeah, when I look at it now, it seems really silly! Thanks, sir!

Ended up only 9.7bi on the session :/

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YoMeR   United States. Oct 13 2008 14:26. Posts 12438

hum i love getting the money in these spots. you'll be surprised how often villain will show up with a worse draw here. and if he ever does it makes the shove super +ev so yea i think it's a fairly standard ship in imo.

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Pinos   Mexico. Oct 14 2008 06:26. Posts 164

i know the guy, he's never folding a FD on that flop... if im not mistaken he has a very polarized range and he's def not folding either, i dont see him having AX there except maybe A9s. He calls flops with gutters sometimes and obv hits everytime so beware


 



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