capaneo   Canada. Oct 10 2008 15:25. Posts 8465
OMG, there are a bunch of engineers nuts with degrees from universities and years of experience who actually KNOW a plane hit the building!
And the movie is form National Geographic Society.
Also one other point. According to the movie the yield of the blast was around 1000lb of TNT.
Most missiles are carrying multiple small warheads instead of
a single big warhead. But there are also cruise missiles. But most cruise are either aircraft lunch or submarine lunch. But obviously there are some exceptions.
To say it in the tone that conspiracy people like to talk:
Did you know that Pakistan in its arsenal has over 1000 ground lunch cruise missile?
These missiles have usually a payload of 500Kg And they are around 2 meter wide and around 6-7meter long with weight around 1400KG. Can one of these hit the Pentagon?
That's true but all those missiles need lunching systems.
This is the smallest launcher I was able to find to be able to lunch missile of such size(these actually are used for a MUCH smaller missiles than can carry only 200Kg warheads but lets assume that they used high explosives which is basically creat its very own peoblems).
Its a Croatian launcher with RBS-15 missiles. (source wiki)
These launchers needs hours of preparation before launch and it gets REALLY messy at the launch time around them.
It will takes lots of preparation and many people to execute the preparation and launch with these.
Whatever hit pentagon exploded on impact.(my own educated guess base on the photos of pentagon and the debris pattern) So no proximity fuze(delayed explosion) were used. Using this theory you would get a very very different evidence at the impact zone (Not to mention that this is the dumbest way to use a rocket) such as missing columns pattern or different evidence such as different blast and different shokwave patterns. But both me and you guys are probably too ignorant to be qualified to talk about those effects.
Whoever think anything other than an airplane(missing from the sky very close to the pentagon) hit pentagon can please come up with some reasonable EDUCATED suggestion?
Popular Mechanics is a magazine over 100 years old. This is what is in the magazine website:
Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Allyn Kilsheimer is a structural engineer in charge of rebuilding the Pentagon. He is in this movie too. (the guy with the beard)
Do you guys think Allyn is a banker or a secret CIA agent?
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capaneo   Canada. Oct 10 2008 15:26. Posts 8465
BTW the video is 5 parts. Try to watch all of them.
Edit: Also the video is from a series called "Seconds From Disaster" which is highly recommended.
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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 10 2008 15:33. Posts 34312
"The pentagon has served for more than 60 years as a symbol of power and freedom"
nice start... ROFL!
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SKoT   United States. Oct 10 2008 18:25. Posts 1768
On October 10 2008 14:33 Baal wrote:
"The pentagon has served for more than 60 years as a symbol of power and freedom"
nice start... ROFL!
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MezmerizePLZ   United States. Oct 10 2008 18:33. Posts 2598
thats just government propaganda cap, obviously a plane did not hit the pentagon, it was something else
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Baalim   Mexico. Oct 10 2008 18:40. Posts 34312
On October 10 2008 18:22 eightfourO wrote:
Hey Baal, remember when 187 Texans and Volunteers killed 3,000 of the 5,000 Mexicans during the Alamo??
Alamo = symbol of freedom
go Texas go
god i love when you post. it fills me with joy to know that even if i get into a gruesome accident and lose 80% of my intelligence, i will still be smarter than some functional human beings.
figure was more like 400-600 mexicans dead. so a little more than ~2 mexicans for every texan. considering the mexicans had to scale reinforced walls, and go into the fort to open the doors for the rest of the army, it actually wasn't a terrific defense by any standards.
same battle that an "American Hero" davy crockett surrendered and got promptly executed on santa anna's orders
oh and by the way, this whole battle started because the americans STOLE the land from mexico the previous year. symbol of freedom my ass. god you're such a moronic hick
WOW. GOOD GOD I CAN'T FREAKING WAIT UNTIL I GET A GOOD HOUR TO WRITE ABOUT THE ALAMO.
omfg.
wow.
84o is po'ed.
where are you from? canada? you know nothing about the alamo. literally nothing.
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eightfourO   United States. Oct 10 2008 19:40. Posts 820
wow. yeah 3 years of texas history and i don't know anything about the most famous battle in the states history.
I am a god damn Rootin Tootin Shootin Cowboy!!
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MezmerizePLZ   United States. Oct 10 2008 19:43. Posts 2598
On October 10 2008 17:33 MezmerizePLZ wrote:
thats just government propaganda cap, obviously a plane did not hit the pentagon, it was something else
sad fact 1: I'm not sure if Mez is serious
sad fact 2: Baal is almost certainly about to agree with you
obvious level
k, thanks, if we didn't have Baal ranting about fantatical conspiracy theories it would have been obvious to me too. it's difficult to tell on this forum.
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