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lazymej   Canada. Oct 10 2008 12:41. Posts 2830 | | |
unless you know he's a retard I like calling here and re-evaluating on the turn.
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JoeDeertay   United States. Oct 10 2008 12:47. Posts 1729 | | |
yeah the sample size isn't too big yet so you really can't peg him as an uber nit just yetm but over 30 hands that is still pretty tight. yeah he could have 44 99 and AQ here, but like lazy said he can have a lot of draws as well. Raising is suicide imo, but you can flat here IP and hope for a safe turn card and reeval there. I'd imagine that he would start playing pretty straightforward for the rest of the hand if you call, so it makes decisions for the rest of the hand a little easier.
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failsafe   United States. Oct 10 2008 12:52. Posts 829 | | |
i think i'm folding this all day against a villain who is 4/4 (even if it's just over 30). probably much better at these levels just to give apparently tight unknowns respect rather than commit a lot of money in this spot. gonna reduce variance significantly and PROBABLY be a money-saving fold in the long run. i know a lot of people subscribe to the philosophy that you should always be working to maximize your EV, but IF continuing here is +EV, then it's very marginally so, and honestly there's no shame in just letting it go. look for places you can feel more comfortable about. unless i vastly underestimate the number of guys who are performing STRONG check raises w/ flush draws and straight bluffs at NL10, then I think this is a good time to let go of your hand. if you continue you're basically bluff catching and trying to take advantage of busted draws, and you're hating ANY turn lead. if you're willing to call a turn bet then he's easily putting you in for a BI when he wants to and your hand is pretty much face up (if he's moderately thinking), so that's a bad thing.
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JoeDeertay   United States. Oct 10 2008 13:18. Posts 1729 | | |
| | On October 10 2008 12:52 failsafe wrote:
i think i'm folding this all day against a villain who is 4/4 (even if it's just over 30). probably much better at these levels just to give apparently tight unknowns respect rather than commit a lot of money in this spot. gonna reduce variance significantly and PROBABLY be a money-saving fold in the long run. i know a lot of people subscribe to the philosophy that you should always be working to maximize your EV, but IF continuing here is +EV, then it's very marginally so, and honestly there's no shame in just letting it go. look for places you can feel more comfortable about. unless i vastly underestimate the number of guys who are performing STRONG check raises w/ flush draws and straight bluffs at NL10, then I think this is a good time to let go of your hand. if you continue you're basically bluff catching and trying to take advantage of busted draws, and you're hating ANY turn lead. if you're willing to call a turn bet then he's easily putting you in for a BI when he wants to and your hand is pretty much face up (if he's moderately thinking), so that's a bad thing.
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This is a good point about it being only marginal if it is in fact +EV, but it is still an edge and I feel like you should push your edges, no matter how small. This obviously applies if you are confident in that edge, though, so i can see what you mean about folding anyway if your aren't really sure where you stand. The only thing is that his valuetowning range is so narrow that he doesn't need to have THAT many draws for this to be +EV assuming he tries to take a free card on the turn with them. |
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TallyHo   Malaysia. Oct 11 2008 06:18. Posts 383 | | |
folding is bad. call and look what he does on the turn |
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geometryb   United States. Oct 11 2008 06:52. Posts 413 | | |
he's not good enough to raise draws. fold fold |
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Sennpu   Canada. Oct 12 2008 09:32. Posts 1896 | | |
shove all in take note gg |
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d.Apollo   United Kingdom. Oct 12 2008 16:45. Posts 741 | | |
2options.
B/f flop
or..... call reeval turn |
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vlseph   United States. Oct 12 2008 17:07. Posts 2566 | | |
c/r is like a set every time at small stakes, or he thinks you're just throwing a standard cbet and is trying to bluff you out.
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traxamillion   United States. Oct 12 2008 20:08. Posts 4389 | | |
don't shove flop
call and take a turn maybe but don't get too attached |
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gymnast   Mexico. Oct 13 2008 01:33. Posts 596 | | |
adn what turn is going to be good? a K? |
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hubmaster   United States. Oct 13 2008 04:15. Posts 574 | | |
Fold 100%. What is a nit raising you from the small blind? The only thing you beat is JJ, maybe TT and AK. There's better spots to put in your money. |
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NeillyJQ   United States. Oct 13 2008 05:19. Posts 6007 | | |
either 4bet the flop to 4.2.5-5 which i do here vs lag players, call vs unknowns and play turn passively or fold vs nits |
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JoeDeertay   United States. Oct 13 2008 10:57. Posts 1729 | | |
| | On October 13 2008 01:33 gymnast wrote:
adn what turn is going to be good? a K? |
any non-spade/ace + any card that pairs the board? |
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lazymej   Canada. Oct 13 2008 17:17. Posts 2830 | | |
I didn't realize that you said he was 4/4. Either way I'm still inclined to call, see a turn and proceed with caution. Folding is fine as well if you really feel he is a sick nit and only playing the nuts. 30 hands isn't shit. |
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gymnast   Mexico. Oct 13 2008 19:09. Posts 596 | | |
one hand over 30 isn't shit? |
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Yaffie   United Kingdom. Oct 14 2008 17:34. Posts 666 | | |
if you call the flop, you have to think JT and flush draw are a big part of his range.
-so are we calling another 2/3>pot bet on a non spade/non K/8 turn? if so we fold to another strong bet on the river?
-are we checking behind the turn and calling a river bet?
also its quite possible at nl10 that a player can just get bored... even playing 4/4... ive seen some weird shit where they must just get tired of not being dealt monsters |
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