optimal stats for solid play

im not shooting for particular numbers here but won without showdown pots 40% borderline give or take right? how about folding bb or sb to steal, any good tested ballpark ranges for solid winning players? thanks

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"optimal stats for solid play"

this dosnt make sence

solid winning players arn't robots they mix up their play

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On October 09 2008 18:47 TalentedTom wrote: "optimal stats for solid play" this dosnt make sence solid winning players arn't robots they mix up their play

the wise one has spoken

if u rephrase it he just want to know what a winning players stats looks like for the more uncommon stats over a large sample

i only know the basics like ur vpip and pfr ideally shld very close with less than 3 points of difference
tag is 18/16ish lag is 26/24ish and atms are < 50/x

curious to know what the rest look like

i keep getting owned with these responses of zen-like magnitude. my head will explode now.

Different players make different stats work for them. For example Midian has ridiculous stats which would be sick unprofitable for me to try but works for him because he knows how to play like that.

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i just wanna know if my blinds are getting raped somehow...ill ask in another forum coz i dont get straight answers here mostly thanks.

On October 09 2008 19:13 KwarK wrote: Different players make different stats work for them. For example CTS has ridiculous stats which would be sick unprofitable for anyone to try but works for him because he knows how to play like that.

On October 09 2008 19:23 whamm! wrote: i just wanna know if my blinds are getting raped somehow...ill ask in another forum coz i dont get straight answers here mostly thanks.

Your not getting straight answers cause it was a dumb question.

Since when was poker about loading up a HUD, and trying to match your stats. Just focus on Position/Reading skills, and stop worrying about stats.

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On October 09 2008 18:47 TalentedTom wrote: "optimal stats for solid play" this dosnt make sence solid winning players arn't robots they mix up their play

Still, after they mix up their play for 1 million hands, theyll have some stats right.

Trade secret though, sorry..

On October 09 2008 19:07 whamm! wrote: i keep getting owned with these responses of zen-like magnitude. my head will explode now.

wax on wax off whamm san

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On October 09 2008 21:38 Rhaegar wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 18:47 TalentedTom wrote: "optimal stats for solid play" this dosnt make sence solid winning players arn't robots they mix up their play Still, after they mix up their play for 1 million hands, theyll have some stats right. Trade secret though, sorry..

that's precisely my point, mix it up, can't possibly be a long term winner with 25% won pots without showdown, that's why i feel that i made a very simple question.

stop playing so many tables and learn how to actually play, then you wont ask these questions

The game-theoretic unexploitable strategy (in wich you can reveal your strategy to your opponent and he cannot exploit you and at best expect to breakeven by mirroring your strategy) is very very tight, maybe 16/14 in a 6max table. But against non-optimal opponents (wich is the case in the real world), you can exploit them (and thus be succeptible to exploitation yourself) bo playing looser than the game-theoretic equilibrium to exploit weak predictable players, that dont trap or bluff alot. However, there may be situations against very specific opponents in wich the most profitable way to exploit their strategy is to play even tighter than equilibrium stats (wich I assume is 16/14ish for VPIP/PFR stats). You can also read Mathmatics of Poker by Bill Chen for more information.

On October 10 2008 00:48 r3v wrote: The game-theoretic unexploitable strategy (in wich you can reveal your strategy to your opponent and he cannot exploit you and at best expect to breakeven by mirroring your strategy) is very very tight, maybe 16/14 in a 6max table. But against non-optimal opponents (wich is the case in the real world), you can exploit them (and thus be succeptible to exploitation yourself) bo playing looser than the game-theoretic equilibrium to exploit weak predictable players, that dont trap or bluff alot. However, there may be situations against very specific opponents in wich the most profitable way to exploit their strategy is to play even tighter than equilibrium stats (wich I assume is 16/14ish for VPIP/PFR stats). You can also read Mathmatics of Poker by Bill Chen for more information.

Calling you out for BS on this one. Nobody knows what the game optimal startegy is but we can be fairly certain it's not 16/14 at 6max. None of the high stakes winning players play this tight. The problem with playing this tight is you won't steal the blinds enough and when you do raise, you hand range is very narrow which allows you opponents to make good decisions against you more easily.