Being 200bb deep with KK

When you are 100bb deep, and you are playing with aces/kings its the standard 4/5bet shove? I am 200bb deep, and similar action occurs, what happens now? Do you stick to the same rule and stick 200bb in the middle pf? or do you play the hand out and stick it in on the flop/turn? Obviously other factors apply but basic rule of thumb?

Since 4bet/5betshoving isn't a rule of thumb 100BB either, it is meaningless to give one deeper. Some players open up 200BB deep pre and tighten up postflop, others vice versa, so it is entirelly opponent / situation dependant.

On October 09 2008 13:05 Repusz wrote: Since 4bet/5betshoving isn't a rule of thumb 100BB either, it is meaningless to give one deeper. Some players open up 200BB deep pre and tighten up postflop, others vice versa, so it is entirelly opponent / situation dependant.

uh since when don't we get KK in pf for 100BB?

i'm not folding aces pf. if he wants to keep raising, i'm open to that

with hands like KK and AA pf it really depends on how you play other hands pf. also, with KK, you might want to consider your opponent's 200bb stacking-off range

On October 09 2008 13:44 lazymej wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 13:05 Repusz wrote: Since 4bet/5betshoving isn't a rule of thumb 100BB either, it is meaningless to give one deeper. Some players open up 200BB deep pre and tighten up postflop, others vice versa, so it is entirelly opponent / situation dependant. uh since when don't we get KK in pf for 100BB?

I mean I don't always 4bet it.

EDIT: don't mock a spewtard with questions like this

On October 09 2008 13:44 failsafe wrote: i'm not folding aces pf. if he wants to keep raising, i'm open to that with hands like KK and AA pf it really depends on how you play other hands pf. also, with KK, you might want to consider your opponent's 200bb stacking-off range

this. balance out your range a little bit, do not ONLY 4BET AA/KK as its so transparent vs any thinking opponent

On October 09 2008 14:12 rogier wrote: Show nested quote + On October 09 2008 13:44 failsafe wrote: i'm not folding aces pf. if he wants to keep raising, i'm open to that with hands like KK and AA pf it really depends on how you play other hands pf. also, with KK, you might want to consider your opponent's 200bb stacking-off range this. balance out your range a little bit, do not ONLY 4BET AA/KK as its so transparent vs any thinking opponent

or just don't 4bet at all, I basically only 4bet in blind vs blind situations/heavy resteal action and vs fish that'll stack off anyway.

Balance your range in a way that you are most comfortable playing imo

just flat and see a lot of flops, with 100bb too. when conditions get more aggro/tilty, then yes it's definitely fine to get it in preflop for 200bb with KK

On October 09 2008 17:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote: or just don't 4bet at all, I basically only 4bet in blind vs blind situations/heavy resteal action and vs fish that'll stack off anyway.

How about people that stack off with JJ+ preflop and you got AA/KK, I think it's better to try and get it in preflop because lots of scare cards can flop and get your villain of his JJ... Not sure if you classify anyone that stacks off with JJ+ as a fish or whatever but I don't think this should be true by standard...

I think by your definition or whatever of when to 4-bet, a lot of people are labelled are fish because after some time, a lot of people will stack off a lot lighter, especially the (somewhat more paranoid) regulars...

Different for you because of FR or does this also apply to 6-max ??

if the villain stacks off with several weaker hands and at most only one hand beats your hand, i'm gonna bet