NL600 facing turn raise

Don't know anything about the villain. I can't see myself folding the hand at this juncture though since a) he likely puts me on a draw b) his line makes no sense for a hand that actually beats me. River is more tricky. I will likely check-call a river that misses all draws and check-fold if he bets on boards where draws complete. What do you guys think?

EDIT: Yes, he could have QT here, but that's not very likely.

Submitted by : phexac

PokerStars Game #21011483444: Hold'em No Limit ($3/$6) - 2008/10/07 19:13:34 ET
Table 'Aunus' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Kelisitaan ($573 in chips)
Seat 2: ClvrNickname ($600 in chips)
Seat 3: Hero ($718.60 in chips)
Seat 4: tomsOn ($845.15 in chips)
Seat 5: MedmanTn ($345.55 in chips)
Seat 6: rivercrime ($668.30 in chips)
ClvrNickname: posts small blind $3
Hero : posts big blind $6

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
tomsOn: folds
MedmanTn: folds
rivercrime: folds
Kelisitaan: raises $6 to $12
ClvrNickname: folds
Hero : calls $6

Flop (Pot : $27.00)

   
Hero : bets $18
Kelisitaan: calls $18

Turn (Pot : $63.00)

   
Hero : bets $45
Kelisitaan: raises $87 to $132
Hero :

why are you leading flop?

I'd fold because
a) he min-raises the button with a super wide range so it is possible that he has Q8,Q6 apart from the standard possibilities like QT,J9
b) it is also conceivable that he doesn't want to raise you with an overpair on the flop, because most ppl when they lead a flop like this they're bet-3betting and he won't most likely won't be a favourite against that range

But, wow, did he butcher this hand. What was he thinking?

@ tomson - i think your second point isnt so applicable when the person is minraising from the btn and dealing with a 3bb lead

Point a) is the overriding factor though.

b) is me being cute and assuming other ppl can think this way.

Good point about weak raising range=potential Q8/Q6. That is definitely something to consider. To me a hand like that would seem like a questionable raise on this board though because it seems that's turning it into a bluff. There have to be better hands in my range, and turned Q completes J9 OESD. It's just such a shitty board to be playing aggressively with non-top 2-pair. Additionally, the fact that I have a Q in my hand, just as in case of QT, makes it all that much less likely that he has another Q in his range. What are your thoughts on this line of reasoning?

Also, now that I am looking at the HH, I definitely should have made my flop lead bigger. I think I misread the size of the pot on flop. Should have been 21 at least.

i'd prob call and check river/expect a large bet on river/call river expecting to be yelling "BAM, GOT HIM" and then high-fiving pooruser and then taking a lot more of kelisitaan's bankroll in the next few hours.

On October 07 2008 23:24 phexac wrote: Also, now that I am looking at the HH, I definitely should have made my flop lead bigger. I think I misread the size of the pot on flop. Should have been 21 at least.

depends on villain, if leading smaller is gonna cause extreme monkey spewing later, plus with the added unreal rage-tilt factor, i prefer the smaller lead

On October 07 2008 23:47 [vital]Myth wrote: Show nested quote + On October 07 2008 23:24 phexac wrote: Also, now that I am looking at the HH, I definitely should have made my flop lead bigger. I think I misread the size of the pot on flop. Should have been 21 at least. depends on villain, if leading smaller is gonna cause extreme monkey spewing later, plus with the added unreal rage-tilt factor, i prefer the smaller lead

Good point....as always.

for some reason people always pay him off. he gets more action than anyone i play with, even though he always has the goods every time i've seen him get looked up.

keli just donates in ways most nitfish don't understand

he is a major major donator once you get it though

call turn, there's a ton of gutshot combos he can be raising with.

i dont like the flop donk, ur range is too weak for u to be getting credit there

On October 08 2008 02:11 [vital]Myth wrote: keli just donates in ways most nitfish don't understand he is a major major donator once you get it though

*flashback back to fairfield sessions*

isnt this guy insane? i call and call riv

i like the flop lead as well, fk his minraise

fold..

not notes and a big range from the villain

messed up on the flop
i dont like leading because u get rr alot which puts you into bad situations
he has a set most of the time but without having any history i call flop and turn bet then fold any blank riv
if he turns over a bluff he deserves to win the hand

lol Kelisitaaaaaan, just piss all over his shit

On November 27 2008 05:04 JonnyCosMo wrote: lol Kelisitaaaaaan, just piss all over his shit

now theres an image

3bet pf ship that shit postflop