Is my thinking process right here?

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Liofle Bulgaria. Oct 04 2008 20:15. Posts 88

Submitted by : Liofle

***** Hand 1263676962 *****
150.00/300.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 04 Октомври 2008 г. 23:21:10
DEEPSTACK 3,500 GTD (Real/Tournament)
Seat 1: king Billy (24155.00)
Seat 2: THELEADER (23713.00)
Seat 3: TWAGMARCO (6360.00)
Seat 4: Liofle (9909.00)
Seat 5: Buwu70 (5512.00)
Seat 6: Conwy (6208.00)
Seat 8: Kinata73 (13840.00)
Seat 9: grebgokz (7009.00)
Seat 10: $$Plenty$$ (31200.00)
THELEADER post SB 150.00
TWAGMARCO post BB 300.00

Holecards(Odds)
Liofle
Liofle Raise to 750.00
Buwu70 Raise to 1200.00
Conwy Fold
Kinata73 Fold
grebgokz Fold
$$Plenty$$ Fold
king Billy Fold
THELEADER Fold
TWAGMARCO Fold
Liofle Call 1200.00

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2,850.00)


Liofle Bet 1000.00
Buwu70 All-in 4312.00
Liofle Call 4312.00

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $3,850.00)



River (Pot : $3,850.00)



Showdown

Rake: 0.00 Total Pot: 11699.00
king Billy Fold Win: 0.00
THELEADER Fold Win: 0.00
TWAGMARCO Fold Win: 0.00
Liofle Pair of fives Win: 0.00
Buwu70 Two pair aces and fives Win: 11699.00
Conwy Fold Win: 0.00
Kinata73 Fold Win: 0.00
grebgokz Fold Win: 0.00
$$Plenty$$ Fold Win: 0.00

I decided to mix thing up a bit, i had a tightish table image + most of the times, they respected my raises. This guy' minreraise made me think he was pretty big cause he put a big % of his stack in the pot with little folding equity from my side and because of his and my position. So QQ+ AKs is what i thought, most probably KK or AA. But still, i think there very good pot odds and of course i called. I bet 1/3 the pot on the flop to make him lay down overcards or any strange hands that he might have out of what i put him on(he might be some idiot) and not bluff at me and make me face a difficult call... Is that bet OK? Then, i got good enough odds to call for the OESD+BDFD+runner-runner trips or r-r two pairs. What do you think of every desicion?
The tourney is 20+2EU Deepstack in Paradise and like to experiment and play a lil bit more fancy in this tourney cause i wanna perfect my postflop play and thinking process

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United States. Oct 04 2008 21:03. Posts 5073

C/R or bet into him bigger

don't give him a chance to shove over u on a bluff or semibluff

what if he had AK and shoved over ur bet - you still would have lost this hand, when u should have won the pot w/o showdown

My winrate is so high, they had to change it to BB/10

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United Kingdom. Oct 04 2008 22:19. Posts 3196

fisherman118 [observer]: i hope u rot mig u r horrible

thewh00sel United States. Oct 04 2008 22:22. Posts 1173

fold to his RR pf, doesnt matter if you're getting his stack 100% when you hit, you still need to win more than he has to make the call worth it. just pretend he shoved his whole 5500 when he reraises.

( o Y o ) Stacked

SpasticInk Sweden. Oct 05 2008 15:58. Posts 1739

you dont make much sense in your thought process at all..

"So QQ+ AKs is what i thought, most probably KK or AA"

and...

"I bet 1/3 the pot on the flop to make him lay down overcards"

your bet on the flop will probably induce a shove from his entire range.

just fold it preflop, stacksizes makes it silly to try and hit something big

SemPeR Canada. Oct 05 2008 20:21. Posts 1366

I'm not sure I understand the thinking process.

Liofle Bulgaria. Oct 05 2008 20:28. Posts 88

mmmkey . Next time I will try stg similar if i'm up against a player with more chips cause yeah... implied odds not enough against this obvious pushing-on-the-flop min raise by the shortstack. 10x for d answers.

JoeDeertay United States. Oct 10 2008 10:56. Posts 1244

Yeah I think the main problem is this hand is the inconsistency in your thought process. If you think he has most KK or AA preflop when he RR you, then you should have the same read on the flop and act accordingly. Therefore a bet accomplishes nothing because the range you have him on is not folding and you are forcing yourself to get your money in bad.

Also, given your read on him you should have just folded preflop. Despite his range being very narrow and transparent (in your opinion), you still don't have enough in the effective stacks to call here. He needs to be a little deeper here for you to flat and try to hit a good flop (I'd say about 2k more chips, given your preflop read).

Touch it, bring it, pay it, watch it, turn it, leave it, stop - format it.