Quantity vs. Quality

I'm kind of a rookie but have had a little success and after I hit a score of 2 or 3k I instantly wanna multitable a ton of tourneys at once. I feel like this eliminates more of the variance but I also don't think I focus on the tourney as much and therefore I don't do as well....I was just wondering which way you guys thought I should be leaning.

i would recommend 4 tabling , review your ROI, and go from there.

review-ing ROI in a MTT is a painfully futile action...

unless of course you're able to play about 2000 mtt's in effort to see if 4 tables or less fit your style...


I suggest you set yourself a buyin limit and simply play those tournies that are interesting to you, but I wouldn't recomend going over say...6 tournies at once, unless some really juicy ones came up...

Having had your "score of 2 or 3k" though, you're hardly rolled for any big action...I really think you should stay away from tournies with buyins higher than 20$ until you have a bigger br...
swings in mtt's outweigh pretty much any other swing....

but GL!

sticking to 100buyin rule and 4 tabling sounds good to me, I think that 12 or 8 tabling can really really kill your progress (killed mine for sure).

im guessing ur rly bad ( no offense) so u should play alot of tables but only play mtt's that u have at least like 150 BI for.this accomplishes a couple things 1) u get in a lot of hands/experiece and u will get better 2) u will play worse players so u will have a high ROI 3)u wont lose that much as i expect u are a losing player.play as many as u comfortably can and make sure u use a strict BR management otherwise youll prolly go broke being a rookie and all that.

i'm still a newb really, but i started off playing between 6-45 man sng's and had some success doing that, i have 800+ sng games with swings in either direction, i think MTT's (45man or more, esp turbos) are pretty high variance, and that it's a good idea to not play THAT many tables at once, and when i'm losing/break even, i like to play only 1 or 2 at once (maybe at lower stakes) just to focus on my game and maybe plug any leaks.

but yea, i think you probably won't be a losing player if you stuck to similar limits as the tourney you cashed big in (maybe slightly higher sng buy in, but i guess i'm a nit lol).

anyway, good luck

1) u get in a lot of hands/experiece and u will get better

I think that the huge amounts of hands while 12tabling still teach you less than the hands you play 4 tabling. However I might be wrong as this surely depends so much on person. Anyways I feel that I never learned anything about poker (except sng but those are a whole diffrent game than mtts or cash) before I started 4 tabling oo So I can only strongly recommed playing only 4 tables for start.

the advantage of playing lots of tables, speaking about experience, is that you get into many situations and spots and you can learn from them
imo

I agree with auffen, too many tables and you won't learn - you'll just play bad.

no time to figure out how u could have played better when u have 13 other tables to act on.

4 tables sounds good.

Agree with asdf and auffen, although it somewhat depends on the players but I remember about 5 years ago whenever I used to 4 table 100 l i'd win and whenever i'd 8 table it i'd lose (this was when i was learning) so play few and play better,

On October 02 2008 17:06 aaaaaaaa wrote: i expect u are a losing player.play as many as u comfortably can and make sure u use a strict BR management

Aside from the whole condescending nature of your post...

Does not compute. Bankrolls are not for losing players. If you make a comment like this, it shows you do not know what a bankroll is. A bankroll is something designed to keep you from going broke. If you are a losing player, your expectation is to go broke, hence a so-called "bankroll" would only prolong the inevitable.

If you're going to be so condescending, you might do better to 1) avoid making retarded statements, and 2) write with grammar, spelling, and punctuation that exceeds first grade level.

On October 08 2008 14:40 vltava wrote: Show nested quote + On October 02 2008 17:06 aaaaaaaa wrote: i expect u are a losing player.play as many as u comfortably can and make sure u use a strict BR management Aside from the whole condescending nature of your post... Does not compute. Bankrolls are not for losing players. If you make a comment like this, it shows you do not know what a bankroll is. A bankroll is something designed to keep you from going broke. If you are a losing player, your expectation is to go broke, hence a so-called "bankroll" would only prolong the inevitable. If you're going to be so condescending, you might do better to 1) avoid making retarded statements, and 2) write with grammar, spelling, and punctuation that exceeds first grade level.

I thought his post was fine, and it didn't seem condescending to me. Maybe rude, but not condescending.

If you play too many tables, you don't learn.Yes, you may face more unique situations, but you have so little time to spend with each one of them, that you really won't have time to analyze and learn. 4-6 tables is likely an ideal number where you get to play a lot of hands, but still have time to focus on individual situations.

Lol the brashness was actually probably good for me.....you can make yourself believe a lot of shit that's not true although I've turned a small profit someone telling me I suck makes me want to learn more because I'm a competitive bastard

I consider myself a pretty good tournament player. I'm very knowledgeable in most of aspects of a tournament, but always went broke. $300 deposit, win a bit, lose a bunch, busto....rinse and repeat....why?? Because when I had $100 in there my thoughts were "hey, time for a 4 table session of four $25 MTT's!" and varience would kick in (or a retarded call/shove/etc on my part) and there I was busto again....not anymore!

I made up an Excel spreadsheet that lists my current bankroll, calculates max buy-in's for SNG, MTT, and cash games (not hard to do, just looks nice on the sheet!) and I followed those rules to a T. After having $300 in there, then buying into tournaments larger than my bankroll allowed I was left with $40 in a matter of hours I vowed that if I ever got back up there without depositing I promised I would follow the rules (100%, not just 75% of time like I was doing)....and then my prayer was answered...qualified for a $216 tournament TWICE with a $3 sattelite, took the tournaments dollars and started with a $400 bankroll....I have then since built it up to $1,500....I had that $40 two weeks ago and haven't cashed for over $200 since - truely grinding it!

How?? I followed the rules the entire way....when my bankroll said "no more than a $5 buy-in" that's what I did, if I lost a few in a row there was no emotion attached to the money because IT'S ONLY $3-$5!! A lot different to lose five $3 tournaments then three $26 and two $50 tournaments....I get more sleep now! Which leads me into my main point (run-on post, I know I know, I'm sorry!)....

I started with only TWO multi-table tournaments at a time and made sure they were freezeouts (no qualifiers, satellites, turbos). In my opinion, two tables at the same time is a GREAT place to start for someone STILL learning, and to cut the boredom factor a little bit. You get to see all the action, pick spots to experiment and sharpen up your game that way. I then added a table once I felt comfortable and felt that I was pressured due to time bars running out. I bumped it up to 4 tables at a time, and it was a little stressful at first, but I got it. Any time I felt I needed more attention because I was deep in a tournament or two, I wouldn't open up any more and focused on those. Now I can comfortably do 8 tables at a time, dump the ones where my AA runs into KK and they get the K on the flop, and be left with the tables where variance was in my favor to concentrate to the final table.

It's been working GREAT! Keep track of your days....I now see my profits everyday, know which days I play better on, keep track of comments (bad play or just bad variance) and I'm able to keep it cool because BRM rules keep my buy-ins within my comfort level so pressure never is a factor to make me push harder and make plays that are -EV.