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gororokgororok   Netherlands. Oct 01 2008 18:00. Posts 3941

This guy plays 40/5/2.5 or so. Don't know him all that much, get it in on the turn?
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PokerStars Game #20852362505: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/10/01 19:43:59 ET
Table 'Strobel III' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: JarvisLa ($98.50 in chips)
Seat 3: humachines ($201.25 in chips)
Seat 4: calai13 ($34.55 in chips)
Seat 5: likeAllCardS ($158.95 in chips)
Seat 6: gororok ($100.50 in chips)
likeAllCardS: posts small blind $0.50
gororok : posts big blind $1

Holecards
Dealt to gororok KcQc
JarvisLa: folds
humachines: folds
calai13: folds
likeAllCardS: calls $0.50
likeAllCardS said, "nh baby"
gororok : raises $3 to $4
likeAllCardS: calls $3

Flop (Pot : $8.00)

   3cKd5d
likeAllCardS: checks
gororok : bets $6
likeAllCardS: raises $6 to $12
gororok : raises $18 to $30
likeAllCardS: calls $18

Turn (Pot : $68.00)

   3cKd5dQd
likeAllCardS: checks

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YoMeR   United States. Oct 01 2008 18:19. Posts 12438

i'm very sure villain will shove over /w combo draws. /w that said why did you 3 bet the flop? to get value? as a bluff?

in most cases i shove turn.

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MeaL   United States. Oct 02 2008 00:14. Posts 3079

i would say he has a Kx trash with a diamond i would bet 50 in this spot actually would even shove


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Oct 02 2008 02:48. Posts 3941

I'm definitly 3betting flop for value. I was playing at about 30/27 and everytime he limped in sb I popped him. Usually he folded but this time he didn't, anyways I felt he was playing back at me on the flop that's why I repopped him I would call a shove at this point on the flop. My flop 3bet is a bit to small I'm aware of that.


Faruk1   Canada. Oct 08 2008 23:01. Posts 71

QUOTE]On October 01 2008 23:14 MeaL wrote:
i would say he has a Kx trash with a diamond i would bet 50 in this spot actually would even shove [/QUOTE]

I'm not sure if he calls 3 bet on flop with K-x trash. Most likely Ad-Xd. If you get check raised on the turn your drawing to 4 outs imo. your pot commited also. so i would check the turn. if he checks the river then def no Ad-Xd, value bet river 50$.


FC   United Kingdom. Oct 10 2008 01:06. Posts 98

Faruk - if you find a fish that folds a K on the flop, even given the 3bet, I salute you. The simple fact is that a random K is still 100% in his range here, and he will often stack off on the turn without even a diamond purely due to a feeling of commitment due to the amount that went in on the flop/he is just in general bad and not capable of folding top pair. He may even hold some random 5 or something like 88, with or without a diamond. We are just ahead of his range a crazy % of the time on the turn, and thus need to valuebet/get it in to protect against random crap with a diamond so they either make a bad call on the turn, or fold out their equity, which is substantial here in the long run with a single diamond.

Every time we check behind the turn here we're burning money. You already said we're commited, if we check behind turn and he pots river on some random blank, can we fold? In my opinion, not versus virtually anyone, ever. Thus, if he wants the money going in, its going to go in. All we can do is make sure it goes in while we're ahead and not after we've let him catch up with some random 8h8d.

If we bet turn for $42 I expect to get c/raised by a flush, yes. But also by a random K, random 5 with a diamond sometimes, 88 with a diamond, 67 with a diamond sometimes (or something equivalent) because hes crap, etc.

If he has a flush or a terribly slowplayed 55 or 33, fine, we lose a buyin.


gororokgororok   Netherlands. Oct 10 2008 03:15. Posts 3941

I should have raised the flop more the give him less odds on a call. Anyways I shoved on the turn, he called with JTdd and I didn't suck out. Thx for the advice guys!


k2o4   United States. Oct 10 2008 15:05. Posts 4803

I think a Kx is still in his range as he's a fish and your 3bet on the flop was small, but I check behind here cause lots of diamonds are in his range too. So check behind re-eval river, probably bet/fold river if checked to and fold if bet into.

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