1knl - Weird river spot vs nit

Villian is Jcmoussa who normally plays higher than 5/10 but is still ver 200 hands only playing 16/11/3. I dont think we have got into a single pot together. His spade range for te river is very strange as it can only be 68/89 or AQ/AJ type hands if he even raises the former utg. Im not sure that he can shove with worse for value either.
Thoughts?
Submitted by : Jamie217

PokerStars Game #20815200902: Hold'em No Limit ($5/$10) - 2008/09/30 11:54:22 ET
Table 'Diphda III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: pandaCHAN12 ($1000 in chips)
Seat 2: MKRT ($221 in chips)
Seat 3: knockstiff ($64.05 in chips)
Seat 4: samodai ($1836 in chips)
Seat 5: thegrumpyone ($927 in chips)
Seat 6: Jamie217 ($1111 in chips)
knockstiff: posts small blind $5
samodai: posts big blind $10

Holecards
Dealt to Jamie217
thegrumpyone: raises $20 to $30
Jamie217 : calls $30
pandaCHAN12: folds
MKRT: folds
knockstiff: folds
samodai: folds

Flop (Pot : $75.00)

   
thegrumpyone: checks
Jamie217 : bets $50
thegrumpyone: calls $50

Turn (Pot : $175.00)

   
thegrumpyone: checks
Jamie217 : bets $140
thegrumpyone: calls $140

River (Pot : $455.00)

   
thegrumpyone: bets $707 and is all-in

i guess nits would play KK like this, but this doesn't make sense at all and you have a set i would call just based on the fact that most nits also suck so his range might be wider (AK, AA, 88, ... 77?)

As8s imo

I dont see myself folding here though

On September 30 2008 09:47 locoo wrote: i guess nits would play KK like this, but this doesn't make sense at all and you have a set i would call just based on the fact that most nits also suck so his range might be wider (AK, AA, 88, ... 77?)

Jcmoussa is very tight and a nit but he doesnt really suck, he is def a thinking player

Easiest fold ever... Why would he ever take this weird line as a bluff.. u ppl crazy. He has flush or air. and he has a flush alot.

I just dont put A8s or any hand that makes sense for that matter (hitting the flush by the river) raising UTG with those stats, but then again it's kinda small sample so

Yea given that he is very tight and you dont have any history at all, this is nuts or nothing situation. I dont know if he can ever has pocket kings here, I would be very surprised though.

pinbaLL's guess (As8s) is probably the only likely flush hand for him, possibly some 9s8s, 8s7s. It would help to know whether he raises those small suited connectors from utg.

Utg pfr% stat would come in handy, if its big enough to include those 98s and 87s, then I think this is a fold. Otherwise probably a somewhat crying call.

he def doesnt have KK hes not a fish ffs. apart from that i can't really comment on JC's game except tell u that YOU HAVE A SET!

Why would he donkshove a bd flush? bleh call

I do have a set dont I!!

Joe the river is 7s... idk it just seems really weird for all angles... so I called and he had 86ss which kinda surprised me

Just doesnt seem like he is bluff jamming there ever

On October 01 2008 04:15 SakiSaki wrote: Why would he donkshove a bd flush? bleh call

b/c he thinks I'll chk back?

Call and find out whats up? lol

a chk/r on the flop solves everythin

On November 27 2008 03:50 Chibuzo21 wrote: a chk/r on the flop solves everythin

except we're in position and this thread is almost 2 months old

flushity flush always i bang my head to the keyboard and depending on my state of titl i decide if i tilt fold or i tilt call

On September 30 2008 12:31 Zanjong wrote: Easiest fold ever... Why would he ever take this weird line as a bluff.. u ppl crazy. He has flush or air. and he has a flush alot.

weird river spot where they shove into me and i have a set vs nit

oh wait saying that makes me a terrible nit

Can't see him ever making this weird line with a busted draw or w/e. He wouldn't slowplay a set either on this board I don't think.

The only hands that make sense that he would valueshove here are J9cc, 96cc or some backdoored flush with an 8. 89ss or 86ss or w/e. I don't think he's bluffing here ever because the bluff isn't credible at all. He can't really represent anything here and he might even try to level you by indicating that he has clubs that missed. So when he overbet shoves like this I think you're always beat by something weird.

I'd fold unless he's been playing really tilty in the session or you have some kind of other reason to believe that he might be FOS here but I don't see this being true very often.

Obv donk shove equals obv I got lucky and now I will soul own you and get max value out of my hand because I am just that much better than you