k2o vs random 2

Ok me and a friend had an argument while playing some live poker the other day, I can't remember exactly how the argument started but basically I was arguing with him that k2o was a favorite against any random 2 more than 50% of the time. Am I right?

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.509% 48.42% 02.09% 12188434992 525049602.00 { K2o }
Hand 1: 49.491% 47.41% 02.09% 11932334604 525049602.00 { random }

yes

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Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.509% 48.42% 02.09% 1015702916 43754133.50 { Kh2d }
Hand 1: 49.491% 47.41% 02.09% 994361217 43754133.50 { random }

damn so its very close but i was right haha.

that's a pretty liberal use of the word 'favourite'

You gotta learn to push that kinda edges to make a profit.

On September 28 2008 01:16 Heath_at_Uk1 wrote: Ok me and a friend had an argument while playing some live poker the other day, I can't remember exactly how the argument started but basically I was arguing with him that k2o was a favorite against any random 2 more than 50% of the time. Am I right?

these pokerstove calcs arent exactly what you stated in your question though. you asked if K2o was a favorite against more than 50% of hands which is different from being more than a 50% favorite vs a range. i assume the answer is the same but maybe not!

thats really interesting or maybe im really dumb. but you could probably write a lemma about being able to select a certain number of hands with a certain advantage when given a percentage about a range by pokerstove?

or maybe im really dumb

K2o favourite against bottom 66.4% of hands (all nonpairs with Qhigh or worse) but very marginally in lot of cases
losing to all the remaining hands(all aces, all kings, all pairs) 33.6%

so under this criteria its doing a bit better than equity vs random


why did i just do this

Q7o is apparently exactly even money against a range of random hands (aka "computer hand".

K2o > Q7o imo

And I assume you just meant that K2 is a favorite against random cards, although the wording in the OP was a little strange.

On September 29 2008 08:53 JoeDeertay wrote: Q7o is apparently exactly even money against a range of random hands (aka "computer hand". K2o > Q7o imo And I assume you just meant that K2 is a favorite against random cards, although the wording in the OP was a little strange.

whoever said that didn't have pokerstove

Hand 0: 51.766% 49.90% 01.86% 12561362136 468505722.00 { Q7o }
Hand 1: 48.234% 46.37% 01.86% 11672495220 468505722.00 { random }

Q7o clear favorate

I have it but I just didn't verify. Someone told me that in a live game once and I just googled "computer hand" and Q7o actually came up, so I believed it. Now I'm curious as to what the "computer hand" really is... O_o

J7s is the middle if im not mistaken, that or J9s

I think Q7o is in the middle its just that pokerstove excludes a bunch of Qx and 7x combos. Depends on how you see it I guess.

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.831% 47.76% 02.07% 4007516560 173445692.00 { random }
Hand 1: 50.169% 48.10% 02.07% 4035881656 173445692.00 { Q2s }

is as close as i could get to an exactly even money hand vs random

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 50.120% 47.96% 02.16% 12071696952 543963330.00 { Q5o }
Hand 1: 49.880% 47.72% 02.16% 12011245188 543963330.00 { random }


EDIT: Beat THIS:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 49.987% 47.82% 02.17% 4012315744 181725692.00 { J5s }
Hand 1: 50.013% 47.85% 02.17% 4014522472 181725692.00 { random }

median != mean != mode

How come in the calculator 44 is favored over AKs but 22 is not??
it's the exact same...

On September 28 2008 02:01 Feiticeira wrote: that's a pretty liberal use of the word 'favourite'

pretty sure he said "favorite".

On September 28 2008 01:16 Heath_at_Uk1 wrote: favorite

yep, i was right.

On September 30 2008 17:56 eightfourO wrote: How come in the calculator 44 is favored over AKs but 22 is not?? it's the exact same...

22 can get counterfeited by 3344x board while 44 cannot, it actually makes it quads!