nl25 Okay Slowplay

The hand was raised preflop. 2 people to the flop. I thought I could slowplay this for one round maybe to induce extra bets or extract more value. Is this okay to do? Was it okay to do here and I just got unlucky? General thoughts?

Submitted by : Shakedown88

PokerStars Game #20655525304: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/09/24 10:10:28 ET
Table 'Luce II' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Hero ($38.75 in chips)
Seat 3: U.S.Tuermer. ($25.65 in chips)
Seat 4: lajcsikiraly ($13.85 in chips)
Seat 5: basthel ($90.05 in chips)
Seat 6: milfmurph ($25 in chips)
Seat 7: Supplant ($4.30 in chips)
Seat 8: tonybots ($13.75 in chips)
Seat 9: immoprofi ($22.15 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $0.10
sn8wmen: is sitting out
U.S.Tuermer.: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
sn8wmen leaves the table
lajcsikiraly: folds
basthel: folds
milfmurph: folds
Supplant: folds
lanwei-fish joins the table at seat #2
tonybots: raises $0.75 to $1
immoprofi: folds
Hero : calls $0.90
U.S.Tuermer.: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $2.25)

   
Hero : checks
tonybots: bets $1.25
Hero : calls $1.25

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $4.75)

   
Hero : checks
tonybots: bets $1.75
Hero : raises $3 to $4.75
tonybots: calls $3

River (Pot : $14.25)

   
Hero : bets $5.75
tonybots: raises $1 to $6.75 and is all-in
Hero : calls $1

Showdown
tonybots: shows (a flush, Ace high)
Hero : mucks hand
tonybots collected $26.40 from pot

Summary
Total pot $27.75 | Rake $1.35
Board  
Seat 1: Hero (small blind) mucked
Seat 3: U.S.Tuermer. (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: lajcsikiraly folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: basthel folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: milfmurph folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Supplant folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: tonybots showed and won ($26.40) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: immoprofi (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

what hand is that?

fold preflop the guy doesn't have a full stack so u don't have the odds to setmine
other than that I don't really mind slowplaying even after the showdown with a halfstack opponent,since I would lol in the thought of ever folding a set vs him

I'll put it in other words:
if he has a short stack don't try to hit a set
if you do setmine by accident and you hit a set never fold it vs such a small stack and do whatever you think will get him to put the money in

don't slowplay on drawy board

On September 24 2008 07:58 asdf2000 wrote: don't slowplay on drawy board

that's generally true because we charge for the draws etc but in this case are you suggesting that we fold if a draw hits? We can never fold a set vs such a stack,so if by our reads we determine that villain will only put the money in with eg second pair by slowplaying I don't see why we shouldn't do it

On September 24 2008 07:42 lebowski wrote: I'll put it in other words: if he has a short stack don't try to hit a set if you do setmine by accident and you hit a set never fold it vs such a small stack and do whatever you think will get him to put the money in

I was gonna reply but yeah that's about exactly what I wanted to press on

On September 24 2008 08:42 lebowski wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2008 07:58 asdf2000 wrote: don't slowplay on drawy board that's generally true because we charge for the draws etc but in this case are you suggesting that we fold if a draw hits? We can never fold a set vs such a stack,so if by our reads we determine that villain will only put the money in with eg second pair by slowplaying I don't see why we shouldn't do it

no, that's not what I am suggesting at all.

if u raise on the flop u can often even get action from AK here.

if u call the flop and the turn is 3, 4, club - all of a sudden villain is scared and is in check/fold mode

- Fold preflop, no odds to set mine here
- Now that you hit your set, raise flop since its soo drawy.
- Profit

also if you raise him, the short is going all in and that's what we want (to get sucked out by shortstakes =S

On September 24 2008 14:40 Critterer wrote: - Fold preflop, no odds to set mine here

I thought we could call this, since the preflop raise is less than 1/10th of the villain's stack?? :<

On September 25 2008 04:38 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2008 14:40 Critterer wrote: - Fold preflop, no odds to set mine here I thought we could call this, since the preflop raise is less than 1/10th of the villain's stack?? :<

Odds of hitting a set on the flop with a PP are about 8.5:1 so you need to be stacking your oppenent alot of the time when you do hit for those odds (1/10th of stack) to work - and, as in this case, when you lose a hand when you hit it is often expensive! Most people want some more potential return than that. I usually only consider set mining Vs near full stacks or more often when there's a multi-way pot. I'd be interested to hear what others do.

i think you're pretty much spot on 4kingell, but my favorite time to set mine is against a 3bet when i'm getting exactly the minimum odds that i need against a player who is only squeezing with AA. then when i miss the flop and it goes check, check, i like to call his turn and river bets and tell myself that he's gotta have AK a lot of the time

On September 25 2008 04:38 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On September 24 2008 14:40 Critterer wrote: - Fold preflop, no odds to set mine here I thought we could call this, since the preflop raise is less than 1/10th of the villain's stack?? :<

that only goes if you are 100% certain he will stack off every single time you hit, which isn't very realistic.

Don't set mine oop against a small stack

easy muck preflop

Thanks for clearing things up, I use to always do the 1/10th thing. So what size of stack would the villian need to have for set mining odds? 20$? is there a formula for this?

I think shortstack is below 50bb ... nvm ... you have 15:1 odds to call, it's worth it.

On September 25 2008 16:14 k4ir0s wrote: Thanks for clearing things up, I use to always do the 1/10th thing. So what size of stack would the villian need to have for set mining odds? 20$? is there a formula for this?

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