NL50 FR A8

Was this ok, now call?
no specific reads
multitabing, my stats are kinda nitty

Submitted by : spets1

POKERSTARS GAME #20577330408: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/09/21 9:58:54 ET
Table 'Helio' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: martin6887 ($59.65 in chips)
Seat 2: SePulTaNiC ($89.90 in chips)
Seat 3: zen555 ($27.60 in chips)
Seat 4: IF0ldF0rBeer ($17.85 in chips)
Seat 6: jackrap1 ($68.65 in chips)
Seat 7: spets2 ($50.25 in chips)
Seat 8: bostanu24 ($53.70 in chips)
Seat 9: Obär89 ($57.45 in chips)
Obär89: posts small blind $0.25
martin6887: posts big blind $0.50
michiel118: sits out

Holecards
Dealt to spets2
SePulTaNiC: calls $0.50
zen555: folds
IF0ldF0rBeer: folds
jackrap1: folds
spets2 : raises $2 to $2.50
bostanu24: calls $2.50
Obär89: folds
martin6887: folds
SePulTaNiC: calls $2

Flop (Pot : $8.25)

   
SePulTaNiC: checks
spets2 : bets $5
bostanu24: raises $7 to $12
SePulTaNiC: folds
spets2 : calls $7

Turn (Pot : $32.25)

   
spets2 : checks
bostanu24: bets $15.50
spets2 : calls $15.50

River (Pot : $63.25)

   
spets2 : checks
bostanu24: bets $23.70 and is all-in
spets2 :

What are you beating? Only a maniac bluff, which does't seem likely. Fold PF or any time thereafter....

pitch pf/flop/turn/river

you just got valuetowned.

Are we really suppose to fold it PF?!

On September 23 2008 15:59 k4ir0s wrote: Are we really suppose to fold it PF?!

I just don't think it's a very profitable play in the long run to be raising A8o FR.

On occasion sure... If you're doing this often, you'll be getting yourself caught in these situations a lot.

yes raise this sometimes but doing it all the time is not good

your stats are mb nitty, but your play is kinda spewy

fold preflop, and don't c-bet that flop, it just hits way too many hands
tons of pair + draw type hands such as 76s, 78s, JTs, sets, two pairs, etc are just not going to fold to that flop bet
and then if you call a flop raise you just put yourself in a really awkward spot

i'd only raise A8o in FR on the button or c/o when it's open to me
when you isolate a donk with A8o, you're going to be dominated most of the time by his limp/calling range(AT+, pocket pairs, scs)

On September 23 2008 18:47 spets1 wrote:

lol who's stats are these/how are these edited? lolol

On September 23 2008 15:59 k4ir0s wrote: Are we really suppose to fold it PF?!

uh, yes
a8 is quite honestly a very bad hand to play in raised pots

On September 23 2008 20:25 PokerDoc88 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2008 18:47 spets1 wrote: lol who's stats are these/how are these edited? lolol

"stats kind of nitty"?
so you're raising one hand over 100, and you raise A8...

On September 23 2008 20:31 asdf2000 wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2008 15:59 k4ir0s wrote: Are we really suppose to fold it PF?! uh, yes a8 is quite honestly a very bad hand to play in raised pots

Hmmm wow, I've been raising A8o+ in MP, along with QJo+ in FR
What aces should I be raising with in MP, AT+? What about QJ, KJ, KQ?
someone help me out please :<

On September 24 2008 00:41 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On September 23 2008 20:31 asdf2000 wrote:   On September 23 2008 15:59 k4ir0s wrote: Are we really suppose to fold it PF?! uh, yes a8 is quite honestly a very bad hand to play in raised pots Hmmm wow, I've been raising A8o+ in MP, along with QJo+ in FR What aces should I be raising with in MP, AT+? What about QJ, KJ, KQ? someone help me out please :<

If you have PT/HEM go check out your results for each starting hand and if you can then break it down by position. This should give you a clue as to what you should be letting go and what you can profitably play. I don't play FR so I can't help here with actual starting hand advice. It's a boring task but will save you money....

^good advice in theory, but you need a ridiculously HUGE sample size in order to extrapolate any decent info from such an analysis

On September 24 2008 03:18 PokerDoc88 wrote: ^good advice in theory, but you need a ridiculously HUGE sample size in order to extrapolate any decent info from such an analysis

This is very true.

I still think it's worth doing just to give an idea. Even with small sample sizes (maybe 20k hands) you can see a kind of break point where everything below a certain level e.g. A7o-A9o in MP seems to be losing and everything above seems to be profitable. It's not an exact science as even with a huge sample size you may play some hands differently by the end of the sample than you did at the start.

You will obviously get the anomolies that small sample sizes bring - so one or two random hands may be making a profit below this threshold and vice versa.

All the above can be a help but whether your playing 6max or FR but surely your range from different positions is gong to be determined by what you have seen happen before during the session combined with stats that you have on a player combined with what has occured with the play in this specific hand.

However as a rule of thumb, particularly in FR A8 from MP is not a raising position as so few flops help you and DONT get you in trouble.