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[NL25] Aces turned top set, drawy board, c/r?


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ikc5   United States. Sep 20 2008 21:17. Posts 276

Submitted by : ikc5

Hand #55254724-86458 at Upland (No Limit Hold'em)
Started at 21/Sep/08 00:03:54
loriosburn is at seat 0 with $10
pimpinz249 is at seat 1 with $21.37
acephil99 is at seat 2 with $16.47
Hero is at seat 3 with $28.76
stuckitmuckit is at seat 4 with $26.49
bigorc is at seat 5 with $16.53
The button is at seat 2
Hero posts the small blind of $.10
stuckitmuckit posts the big blind of $.25
loriosburn posts out of turn for $.25

Holecards
loriosburn: -- --
pimpinz249: -- --
acephil99: -- --
Hero : AcAd
stuckitmuckit: -- --
bigorc : -- --

bigorc folds
loriosburn checks
pimpinz249 folds
acephil99 folds
Hero raises to $1.25
stuckitmuckit calls
loriosburn calls

Flop (Pot : $3.75)

   Ts9d7s
Hero bets $2.30
stuckitmuckit calls
loriosburn folds

Turn (Pot : $8.35)

   Ts9d7sAh
Hero



Villain in question is very competent, runs around 22/17 doesn't get too carried away but is generally positionally aware and not afraid to float/bluff flops against other regs.

Basically, I want to convince myself he's calling me light preflop because I'm going to be raising a very wide range with the poster, but that sorta doesn't make sense, why wouldn't he just three bet me? Does he think that I expect him to 3-bet me a wide range here and call to have position on me and try and steal the pot postflop?

Can I check raise this turn on the assumption that this is a textbook float a lot of the time or should I just err on the side of aggression since the board is a little harry and I don't want to be giving off free cards here like ever? The smaller bet on the flop was to hopefully give him an attractive price to semibluff a draw and maybe have the shorty lose his mind and do something retarded.

 Last edit: 20/09/2008 21:19

SfydjkLm   Belarus. Sep 20 2008 21:55. Posts 813

hes calling here with worse a lot that he will check if you do imo.
And waay overthinking NL25

When you have the blockers its almost like double effect- like you dont not have the blockers. 

lazymej   Canada. Sep 20 2008 22:30. Posts 1461

Don't need to make fancy plays just continue your aggression.
You yourself say this is a drawy [flop] so why are you betting it so small?

Bet flop at least 3.25. And where does he 3bet you?

As you think, You shall become. 

failsafe   United States. Sep 21 2008 01:00. Posts 528

sounds like you're leveling yourself with the small flop bet... he's gonna be raising this flop all day with a strong made hands (assuming you're right about his competency), and you're expecting he's gonna do the same thing with a bluff. so, your bet doesn't give you any information at all and basically levels you into shipping against everything that beats you... how does that seem like a good idea?

i'd bet the flop for 3+, and probably fold to aggression from the reg or ship against the short stack. when the turn comes with Ah, that's like the greatest thing possible so i'm betting 3/4pot+ and then i'm shipping good rivers. i think you're miles ahead of his range which could (depending on his actual level of competency) include everything from smaller sets, two pair, OESD, flush draws, pair + OESD and basically everything in the airball category. the only hand that beats you is like 68s or something. the common theme in my assessment of his range are DRAWS and underrepresented made hands that you beat.

you tried to get him to raise you on the flop and you didn't succeed, and now you're trying to c/r him on this turn... i mean are you ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that his line is DEFINITELY a straight/flush draw or airball that is ALSO going to be betting this turn card if you check to him, and that he won't a) check behind with a draw or b) fold a bunch of weaker made hands to your c/r that you otherwise might have stacked if you'd just continued leading? if the answer is no, then your play here is straight forward.

positive positivityLast edit: 21/09/2008 02:00

Spitfiree   Bulgaria. Sep 21 2008 05:23. Posts 1123

6.50$


NiTE   Croatia. Sep 21 2008 11:03. Posts 298

bet proper on flop and stop making easy decisions complicated.

What do you exactly want to see happen here?

fuck this shit 

geometryb   United States. Sep 21 2008 11:09. Posts 144

bet bet bet


collegesucks   United States. Sep 21 2008 13:06. Posts 2807

i think if i check-raised in this hand it would be on the river since my river betting range heavily includes Ax or better while villains range after the turn includes missed draws and Tx type hands (and maybe Ax like A8 or Axss but he might raise NFD on the flop) and you're probably not going to get called by Tx that much if you bet river but if the guy's aggro enough he will try to win the pot after he misses his draw by bluffing. i mean yeah the ace turn is the best card to double barrel bluff on for you so he's gotta think that there's some value in bluffing when you check to him on the river, if he was drawing. since you don't get called by much when you bet river anyways, i think it's better to just let him bluff the river. i like a head-explosion bet like 1/6 pot... that's sexy.

on the turn though i just have to bet here because ldo you can't let him draw for free and the ace is like the most obvious bluff card so a thinking player would perhaps call down with hands like Tx.

=D 

[vital]Myth    United States. Sep 21 2008 14:55. Posts 10705

just bet

not enough people gonna get really aggro with some kinda draw all of a sudden. but plenty of people gonna call without many outs

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

[vital]Myth    United States. Sep 21 2008 14:56. Posts 10705

agree w betting more like $3.25 on flop also

Eh, I can go a few more orbits in life, before taxes blind me out - PoorUser 

 




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