NL25 wtf mate

I either made a really good play or really stupid play. Please break it down for me.

Both villains have VPIP of over 50, PF of around 15, and AF of about 2. The turn made me kinda sick knowing the type of players the villains are. I thought that a flush or straight was a good possibility. I folded pretty quickly when he shoved on the river because I thought that a bluff shove on the river from that kind of villain was uncommon. Like I said, either I made a really good move or I fucked up big time.



Submitted by : Shakedown88

PokerStars Game #20531145109: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/09/19 14:42:16 ET
Table 'Hekatostos' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: RoyFlush1 ($24.80 in chips)
Seat 2: rusty1982 ($27.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Timmi-777 ($5.60 in chips)
Seat 4: Poky134 ($13.10 in chips)
Seat 5: Sep79 ($26.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($29.30 in chips)
Seat 7: Ewko_one ($34.85 in chips)
Seat 8: Alltim Lala ($25 in chips)
Seat 9: Ger-CeSp ($4.75 in chips)
Hero : posts small blind $0.10
Ewko_one: posts big blind $0.25

Holecards
Dealt to Hero
Alltim Lala: folds
Ger-CeSp: folds
RoyFlush1: folds
rusty1982: raises $0.25 to $0.50
Timmi-777: folds
Poky134: folds
Sep79: folds
Hero : calls $0.40
Ewko_one: calls $0.25

Flop (Pot : $1.50)

   
Hero : checks
Ewko_one: bets $1
rusty1982: calls $1
Hero : raises $2 to $3
Ewko_one: calls $2
rusty1982: calls $2

Turn (Pot : $10.50)

   
Hero : checks
Ewko_one: checks
rusty1982: bets $2
Hero : calls $2
Ewko_one: calls $2

River (Pot : $16.50)

   
Hero : checks
Ewko_one: bets $29.35 and is all-in
rusty1982: folds
Hero said, "i can't believe i'm folding this"
Hero : folds
Uncalled bet ($29.35) returned to Ewko_one
Ewko_one collected $15.70 from pot

Summary
Total pot $16.50 | Rake $0.80
Board  
Seat 1: RoyFlush1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: rusty1982 folded on the River
Seat 3: Timmi-777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Poky134 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Sep79 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Hero (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 7: Ewko_one (big blind) collected ($15.70)
Seat 8: Alltim Lala folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Ger-CeSp folded before Flop (didn't bet)

thought that a flush or straight was a good possibility

You will never know by checking.

raise bigger on the flop, to like $6. you're not really trying to let 2 people call for cheap and profitably draw against you. plus, they're not gonna "get scared away" and fold if you make it more...people make big mistakes, so let them make big mistakes and maximize your profit by raising big on a spot like this.

as played, check/call turn and check/fold river is probably correct

On September 19 2008 12:21 freehatch wrote: Show nested quote + thought that a flush or straight was a good possibility You will never know by checking.

don't think like this. if you are putting money into the pot just so you can "know," it's gonna be a really big leak. there are two reasons why:

1. you never "know" anyway. whether you bet or check people are going to do things that you aren't certain how to interpret. so the certainty that you gain by betting relative to checking isn't all that huge anyway.
2. the fact that you checked doesn't mean that people are willing to do any crazy play you can conceive. in fact, almost 100% of people are pretty much incapable of a lot of plays, such as making a big bluff in a certain spot or value betting very thin. so you actually gain pretty clear information (once you have enough experience and knowledge to make such reads) from just checking and seeing what your opponent does.

don't let yourself get into the habit of wanting to be more sure of where you stand. it's a really bad habit. you have to deal with a ton of uncertainty and do a lot of studying to be able to make good decisions despite having little concrete information. it requires experience, intuition, and deduction.

i was TeCh)Teck btw. welcome

Thanks Myth. My post flop play is all twisted up now

[x] fucked up big time

1. It's okay to lead out multiway. Check/raise is also fine, but what happens if they check behind? (very possible multiway since people tend to play more cautiously).
2. Your flop raise sucks. You want to pump it up way more ESPECIALLY when there's a cold caller.

raiiiiiiiiiise turn. i think the obv overbet on riv is protecting a worse hand than yours but we won't know b/c u didn't reraise on turn.