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Night[Mare]   Mexico. Aug 29 2008 11:41. Posts 599

Submitted by : Night[Mare]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7849889755: Table Chandler Mews - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:18:49 ET - 2008/08/29
Seat 1: kinghighisgood ($3.90)
Seat 2: Toni Zucco ($9.90)
Seat 3: Hero ($11.90)
Seat 4: katsul2007 ($10.15)
Seat 5: wachtelinho ($7.65)
Seat 6: pokerlongo ($3.95)
Seat 7: juanmonge85 ($2.25)
Seat 8: WarrenG11 ($3.50)
Seat 9: Bilgrau66 ($11.75), is sitting out
kinghighisgood posts the small blind of $0.05
Toni Zucco posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero QsQc
Hero raises to $0.50
katsul2007 folds
wachtelinho has 15 seconds left to act
wachtelinho calls $0.50
pokerlongo folds
juanmonge85 folds
WarrenG11 folds
kinghighisgood folds
Toni Zucco has 15 seconds left to act
Toni Zucco calls $0.40

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.55)

   6h8c7d
Toni Zucco checks
Hero bets $1.10
wachtelinho raises to $3
Toni Zucco has 15 seconds left to act
Toni Zucco folds
Hero raises to $11.40, and is all in
wachtelinho has 15 seconds left to act
wachtelinho calls $4.15, and is all in
Hero shows QsQc
wachtelinho shows AdAc
Uncalled bet of $4.25 returned to Hero

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $15.85)

   6h8c7dTh

River (Pot : $15.85)

   6h8c7dTh8h
Hero shows two pair, Queens and Eights
wachtelinho shows two pair, Aces and Eights
wachtelinho wins the pot ($14.30) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Bilgrau66 has returned

Summary
Total pot $15.85 | Rake $1.55
Board:  6h8c7dTh8h
Seat 1: kinghighisgood (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Toni Zucco (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Hero showed QsQc and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 4: katsul2007 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: wachtelinho showed AdAc and won ($14.30) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 6: pokerlongo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: juanmonge85 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: WarrenG11 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Bilgrau66 is sitting out



i just had gotten into the table, no reads on villian.

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GsOne   Poland. Aug 29 2008 12:10. Posts 732

I don't really like the shove beacuse of the board texture. It's bit tricky because you're out of position so calling/checking turn may give away free cards, however it seems lot less spewy then shoving. I want to see a showdown here, and I want it cheap.

EDIT: On the other hand villain has like $4 behind which makes this spot even more awkward. Against a range of AA-55, T9s-54s, T8s (with assumption, that he cold-calls AA/KK only 50% of time pf) you are above 40/60, so I guess it's all right to shove here.

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maxousek   Czech Republic. Aug 29 2008 12:55. Posts 464


  On August 29 2008 11:10 GsOne wrote:
I don't really like the shove beacuse of the board texture. It's bit tricky because you're out of position so calling/checking turn may give away free cards, however it seems lot less spewy then shoving. I want to see a showdown here, and I want it cheap.

EDIT: On the other hand villain has like $4 behind which makes this spot even more awkward. Against a range of AA-55, T9s-54s, T8s (with assumption, that he cold-calls AA/KK only 50% of time pf) you are above 40/60, so I guess it's all right to shove here.




lol wat ??
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NiTE   Croatia. Aug 29 2008 14:39. Posts 366

hmmmmmmmm

(waiting to read a clever reply)

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NotSorry   United States. Aug 29 2008 16:14. Posts 2603

Really don't like the shove, a flat call from a guy in position, then a board that hits so much of his possible range. With no reads here I see it as a pretty easy lay down.

We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. 

MayZerG   United Kingdom. Aug 29 2008 18:00. Posts 2123

fold flop

I like to hold all the nuts - CrownRoyal 

msna   Canada. Aug 29 2008 18:38. Posts 999

fold is obiously NOT an option. Shove looks OK to me however you can also call flop and when the 10 comes on the turn fold. but if a neutral card hits, i would check/shove.

Dont panic I shove alot! 

GsOne   Poland. Aug 29 2008 18:41. Posts 732

Wtf since when flat call from position is indicator of strenght? You are getting two to one on your money to shove now, so you're like 2% short of shoving being correct for QQ,99-66,87s,86s,67s range which is like one hand we tie with and one hand that we beat, but which has 10 outs. Folding here without a read that the guy is never doing this without made hand (ie. excluding all overpairs,pocket fives and some more from his range), especially vs. a guy that's sitting with 75BB is outrageous imo.

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Brobebrato   Bulgaria. Aug 29 2008 22:03. Posts 276

DO NOT GIVE RESPECT TO ANY LOW STAKE PLAYER BELOW 100BB , EVER ! :D hahah

Standart - take a note about his play anyway.

Fortes Fortuna Adiuvat  

 



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