NL 10 bad shove?

Submitted by : Night[Mare]

Full Tilt Poker Game #7849889755: Table Chandler Mews - $0.05/$0.10 - No Limit Hold'em - 13:18:49 ET - 2008/08/29
Seat 1: kinghighisgood ($3.90)
Seat 2: Toni Zucco ($9.90)
Seat 3: Hero ($11.90)
Seat 4: katsul2007 ($10.15)
Seat 5: wachtelinho ($7.65)
Seat 6: pokerlongo ($3.95)
Seat 7: juanmonge85 ($2.25)
Seat 8: WarrenG11 ($3.50)
Seat 9: Bilgrau66 ($11.75), is sitting out
kinghighisgood posts the small blind of $0.05
Toni Zucco posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #8

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to Hero
Hero raises to $0.50
katsul2007 folds
wachtelinho has 15 seconds left to act
wachtelinho calls $0.50
pokerlongo folds
juanmonge85 folds
WarrenG11 folds
kinghighisgood folds
Toni Zucco has 15 seconds left to act
Toni Zucco calls $0.40

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $1.55)

   
Toni Zucco checks
Hero bets $1.10
wachtelinho raises to $3
Toni Zucco has 15 seconds left to act
Toni Zucco folds
Hero raises to $11.40, and is all in
wachtelinho has 15 seconds left to act
wachtelinho calls $4.15, and is all in
Hero shows
wachtelinho shows
Uncalled bet of $4.25 returned to Hero

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $15.85)

   

River (Pot : $15.85)

   
Hero shows two pair, Queens and Eights
wachtelinho shows two pair, Aces and Eights
wachtelinho wins the pot ($14.30) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Bilgrau66 has returned

Summary
Total pot $15.85 | Rake $1.55
Board:  
Seat 1: kinghighisgood (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: Toni Zucco (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Hero showed and lost with two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 4: katsul2007 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: wachtelinho showed and won ($14.30) with two pair, Aces and Eights
Seat 6: pokerlongo didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: juanmonge85 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: WarrenG11 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: Bilgrau66 is sitting out

I don't really like the shove beacuse of the board texture. It's bit tricky because you're out of position so calling/checking turn may give away free cards, however it seems lot less spewy then shoving. I want to see a showdown here, and I want it cheap.

EDIT: On the other hand villain has like $4 behind which makes this spot even more awkward. Against a range of AA-55, T9s-54s, T8s (with assumption, that he cold-calls AA/KK only 50% of time pf) you are above 40/60, so I guess it's all right to shove here.

On August 29 2008 11:10 GsOne wrote: I don't really like the shove beacuse of the board texture. It's bit tricky because you're out of position so calling/checking turn may give away free cards, however it seems lot less spewy then shoving. I want to see a showdown here, and I want it cheap. EDIT: On the other hand villain has like $4 behind which makes this spot even more awkward. Against a range of AA-55, T9s-54s, T8s (with assumption, that he cold-calls AA/KK only 50% of time pf) you are above 40/60, so I guess it's all right to shove here.

lol wat ??
WP

hmmmmmmmm

(waiting to read a clever reply)

Really don't like the shove, a flat call from a guy in position, then a board that hits so much of his possible range. With no reads here I see it as a pretty easy lay down.

fold flop

fold is obiously NOT an option. Shove looks OK to me however you can also call flop and when the 10 comes on the turn fold. but if a neutral card hits, i would check/shove.

Wtf since when flat call from position is indicator of strenght? You are getting two to one on your money to shove now, so you're like 2% short of shoving being correct for QQ,99-66,87s,86s,67s range which is like one hand we tie with and one hand that we beat, but which has 10 outs. Folding here without a read that the guy is never doing this without made hand (ie. excluding all overpairs,pocket fives and some more from his range), especially vs. a guy that's sitting with 75BB is outrageous imo.

DO NOT GIVE RESPECT TO ANY LOW STAKE PLAYER BELOW 100BB , EVER ! :D hahah

Standart - take a note about his play anyway.