50nl set vs turn c/r

Submitted by : goodguysm

PokerStars Game #19982594011: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2008/08/29 - 03:13:21 (ET)
Table 'Kajaani' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: thatcher11 ($210.50 in chips)
Seat 2: BKS2 ($47.50 in chips)
Seat 3: goodguysm ($80.15 in chips)
Seat 4: mazga ($61 in chips)
Seat 5: judaz66 ($52.55 in chips)
Seat 6: 808mlee ($113.05 in chips)
mazga: posts small blind $0.25
judaz66: posts big blind $0.50

Holecards(Odds)
Dealt to goodguysm
808mlee: folds
thatcher11: raises $1 to $1.50
BKS2: folds
goodguysm : calls $1.50
mazga: folds
judaz66: folds

Flop(Odds) (Pot : $3.75)

   
thatcher11: checks
goodguysm : bets $2.50
thatcher11: calls $2.50

Turn(Odds) (Pot : $8.75)

   
thatcher11: checks
goodguysm : bets $8
thatcher11: raises $24.50 to $32.50
goodguysm : calls $24.50

River (Pot : $73.75)

   
thatcher11: checks
goodguysm : checks

Showdown
thatcher11: shows (a pair of Fives)
goodguysm : shows (three of a kind, Sixes)
goodguysm collected $70.75 from pot

Summary
Total pot $73.75 | Rake $3
Board  
Seat 1: thatcher11 showed and lost with a pair of Fives
Seat 2: BKS2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: goodguysm (button) showed and won ($70.75) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 4: mazga (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: judaz66 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: 808mlee folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Ehh I'd bet/shove turn, calling his raise donsn't really accomplish much

looks good to me. He's probably never checking an 8 on the river, so a shove can't be too awful if he's thinking you are really really nuts but I probably wouldn't bother without 99. I also reckon this river is a fold if he jams in the remaining $45.

Looks good. Can call the turn to see if he was indeed FOS. I'd fold to a river shove for sure though.

Bet/shove turn is terrible.

His line sucks - would make a note that he c/r bluffs. Probably thinks he has a big stack so can do what he likes and get away with it. Brave call of the c/r on turn. Did you have any history to make you think he wouldn't have 99/77/88/A8s or did you call just because you thought he wouldn't do that with the made str8/good set?

River is difficult - only options are as played or try to induce bluff shove with a small bet but I guess you don't really have enough behind for this to be an option and I'm not sure how happy you would be to see a shove anyway unless you were pretty confident of turn read?

Valuebetting river is much too thin, he never calls with worse because if he doesn't have an 8 he'll think you have it.

Betting small to induce a bluff is too fancy.

Kingell, I think once you bet you sort of have to call because there are no 8s in his range that make sense for him to play like this except maybe 86s.

I'm not sure we should bet turn tho, his range should be fairly weak here, like marginal 2nd pair type stuff, I don't really see us getting 2 streets of value. I mean, if he's a bluffmonkey spastic then ok, bet to induce I suppose.. But yeah, the only hand I can see us getting 2 streets from is 67, 57.

I guess maybe I shouldn't underestimate the time villain decides to play 97 (in which case 98 would have to be considered as well) or 55 or 65 in a super weird way but still~ I think the majority of his range should be 1 pair type hands and I don't think most of them can continue..

That being said I think I'd probably bet in the heat of the moment (although not sure I'd pot it).

On August 29 2008 03:04 Twisted wrote: Looks good. Can call the turn to see if he was indeed FOS. I'd fold to a river shove for sure though. Bet/shove turn is terrible.

Why is bet/shove turn bad? just trying to understand your logic behind this, cause if its really that bad then I gotta fix this leak. care to explain please

cause I dont really see him having an 8 here

On August 29 2008 04:52 k4ir0s wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2008 03:04 Twisted wrote: Looks good. Can call the turn to see if he was indeed FOS. I'd fold to a river shove for sure though. Bet/shove turn is terrible. Why is bet/shove turn bad? just trying to understand your logic behind this, cause if its really that bad then I gotta fix this leak. care to explain please cause I dont really see him having an 8 here

By the turn he has quite a few combos with an eight in, 78, 88, 89 etc. Further, when we shove it's pretty hard to get called by worse if not impossible, and if we really are certain that he doesn't have an eight with some great read then we might as well let him bluff off on the river. It's just a case of asking if worse hands call or better fold or whether our hand needs huge defences against draws, and none of that is true.